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Also, Parkman as a character has grown on me since season 1. I originally thought he was boring, but we have seen other facets to him (i.e. his dark side in FYG, his questionable use of his abilities – like cheating in his test to make the NYPD, when he had to ‘rescue the hostage’, and also making Molly sit down to finish her food by pushing thoughts). I like the fact that he has been a cop & has always wanted to be a cop, and wants to do the right thing – but he certainly isn’t a goody-goody! He has morals, but they can be compromised. He is human.

@ ash217 05.10.09 at 4:27 pm

Those are some good ideas.

1)give hiro a really good and adventurous storyline(like in season 2)

Yes. Give the man his damn sword back and have him and Ando be an awesome super-powered team.

2)give peter his old ability back

No. Nonononononono.

3)give claire a smaller storyline!!

Yes. Please God, yes.

4)bring back claude

Also yes.

5)build the new villian up through out the season(dont make him/her a villian straight away

Hmm, interesting. You mean have them go bad over the course of the season or only be revealed midway through?

6)bring sylar back and give him an evil storyline or at least decide whether he is going to be good or evil(not like season 3)

Aye. Season 1 Sylar was epic because he was essentially a force of nature, able to do potentially anything. Out and out evil and irreedemable. It’s fine to have a moral dilemna- once- and to resolve it. Sylar doesn’t really swap around too much, but he’s less evil then he was. This is not good…

7)give parkman a storyline that involves him showing off his herioc side

Seeing both sides would be interesting. I’d like to see more of Dark Matt preferably, but that is just a preference.

8)introduce new characters with abilitys that we haven’t seen before

No. No new characters. We already have a massive cast as you admit below yourself. Focus on them. New villian? Only if him or her sticks around for more then 1 Volume.

9)bring back monica

Yes.

10)dont have to much action only for the last 5 or so episodes

Heroes hardly has a problem with too much action. Most people I know want more action, not less.

11)not as much of nathan!(he is useless and used to much)

Nathan’s dead. After the Sylar/Nathan story ends he’ll be gone pretty much permanantly.

12)make peter smarter if he gets his old power back

Can’t happen. EM Peter + Intelligence = God. God is terrible in storytelling.

13)bring back elle!!!!!

Head cut open and body set on fire? Can’t see anybody coming back from that one, chum.

14)kill of some of the less importatnt character like mohinder

No. I like continiuty. Just give them stories to make them interesting, don’t kill them unless it serves a proper plot purpose.

15)dont have to many characters becuase it becomes difficult to folow there individual storys

Yes. See 8 for more thoughts.

“An alternative way to bring Peter back somehow without making him excessively god-like would be have him keep his “Touch and copy” ability, while being able to tap into his empathy to use access several abilities. That way you can have Peter be smart about what abilities he copies, rather than just be a sponge that gets whatever is in the viscinity. It’s the fact that he can only use one ability at once that turns-off several fans.”

I’m not so sure that’s much more balanced. Surely the only difference is that he has to touch people to amass a stock of powers rather then being around them? You’d eventually have the same problem with him gaining too many powers for anyone to kill him. And people bitch about Sylar for exactly that same reason, don’t they?

“It could also bring up an interesting arc of Peter eventually becoming greedy about gaining abilities and turning into a villain. I’m positive I’m not the only one who actually enjoyed Hungry Peter in S3.”

Hmm. An interesting way to work it. My problem is that that’s basically Sylar’s Season 1 story redone- Peter’s running around taking as many abilites as he can. Granted he’s not killing them (neccessarily), but it’s too similar. Unless Peter were to take IA from Sylar and use that to gain new abilities, and the rest of the family recognise in the show that he IS becoming another Sylar and attempt to stop him…hmm….

I think they made a mistake with Ando’s ability. They gave it to him so that he would save Hiro, but he hasn’t really used it since. He hasn’t supercharged anyone. Maybe they are having a hard time figuring out what someones power will become with the supercharge. what will happen if he supercharges Peter, Claire, Nathan, Angela…? He hasn’t made contact with many characters, but he sure can use it on Hiro.

I agree that peter was to powerful but not he is one of the weaker characters on the show. which is hard to adjust because he was the main charater in the first 3 volumes. I think what they should do with him is let him hold on to all of the abilities he has collected but make it where he can only use one at a time.

I soooooo want molly to come back.
Like a moody, bitchy teenager, such a contrast to the old molly
a lot of teenagers watch heroes and currently there is only one teenage character, Claire, who to be honest is getting a tad bit boring.
the only other character i’d want back is Elle, but thats not going to happen
I think Monica or Claude could be good.

Peter with his full EM could work only if they write him more aware, responsible and cautious of what his powers can do, causing him to fight within himself (your story arc the humbles him)

If the just allow him to hold multi abilites via touch, that would work for me. Sylar’s IA may just be the key, that’s if Peter took that too

Burlman, Karim: Again, with this maintaining multiple powers by touch idea…how’s it any different from his old ability? He needs to consciously touch someone to take their ability instead of being near them, sure, but in essence it’s exactly the same. The fact that Peter can only use one ability at a time is what makes him balanced. Even were you to do what Karim suggests and make him more intelligent with his EM, you’d still eventually make him invincible because of the very nature of the power. The same applies to your proposal, as eventually Peter would still gain an arsenal of powers. Some people want that, but I don’t.

Giving Peter IA and turning him properly into a villian for a season could work, however. It would give him multiple abilities, is entirely keeping with his current, balanced ability (he takes IA via his current ability and then goes nuts again), and perhaps best of all, we get the return of IA-Peter from Volume 3. Everyone wins.

Swm, Peter is more balanced with his current ability, but I still feel they’re not done with Peter’s power nor Hiro’s. Sans the time travel, Hiro’s power is still too effective to bring him into serious harm’s way, so now it seems regaining them by Matt’s touch is causing his body to reject them. A writers’ way of checking Hiro. S4 will have to clarify if Peter can choose what he takes from a multi power person or does he take it all? If Peter can choose, that means his power has evolved. He already can choose when to take. Vol.4 has been a highmark for Peter in my fanbook, smarter, leading and angry at God, Mom and Nathan. With Fuller back, they need to do these guys justice

adam might be the one who comes back. we never saw him actually die did we. but barbara will be the other one i bet.

i think they should give peter his powers back but control how many powers he absorbs or still have to touch them to get their powers that way he doesnt get too powerful but still is better than he was but i cant wait till the new season to start i am soooo bored withot it

Let peter keep his touch and copy ability, but make it so, that when he takes the ability, the person he took it from, loses it. So he really has to think through the whole thing, not just copy the ability and run around killing bad guys. OR he could “lend” abilities, maybe even transfer them from person to person.

Theres some good coments on here, i to thought when peter lost his powers that they should give him them back, but over the course of volume 4 pete has empressed me with one power at a time and whoever said flying was a s*** power is wrong imo it was the best defencive power to have, pete never got caught were the rest of them did all the time. I got a feeling that there going to give him more then 1 power how many i dont know. anyone think flying is a good ablity coz its in my top 3.

@ micky.w. again
I also liked your suggestion about Peter being able to hold onto a limited number of abilities… IMO this is a fair compromise. He has a limited arsenal of powers – so he doesn’t become a god. If he can choose which power to give up when he takes another power it would be good, although if (at least at first) he has no control over that aspect, it would make for some interesting writing/ viewing… imagine giving up Flight by accident to acquire, let’s say, Telepathy… Peter would have to think quick on his feet when he suddenly realises he can’t just fly away and escape a situation, but instead he might use the mind-trick of making himself ‘invisible’ like Matt has done (with Janice and Baby Matt in their house) so that he can sneak away. Yeah, I think letting him hold onto something like 3 abilities at any given time might be a good move, makes him a bit like the old Peter again, but also keeps him under control (for the writers’ sakes).

Another suggestion… let him hold onto multiple abilities again, but any more than 3 and he starts to have problems like Hiro is having i.e. his body can’t handle more than so many abilities. That way, he would have to ‘jettison’ abilities – erase them from his DNA, as it were – or his health would suffer. I’m just trying to think outside the box, what does anyone else think about this?

that would be so cool if daphne came back, she was my favorite. i wonder who the new villan besides tracy is going to be. i think peter should be able to carry more powers but its not going to happen cause when he put sylar to sleep he said, “your suprised i took this one” , or something like that

@ Swm
“My main problem with this is thus: If we give Peter the power to have 2-3 abilties, won’t people bitch about the fact he doesn’t have more? You give him 3, they’d ask for 5. Give them 5, they’d ask for 10. These people will never be happy until Peter gets his original power back. I do not think we should encourage them.”

Yes, there will always be at least a few that will bitch about SOMETHING, even if Peter DID get his full EM back. So, whether he stays as he is now (one power but smarter), or gets his full ability (multiple powers but dumbed down), or is in-between (3 powers max but still smart with it)… there will always be complaints regardless, right? So now that we have established that, a compromise should please MORE people on both sides of the argument. I’m sure you are as sick as I am with every other comment starting with the words “I think Peter should get his full powers back…”, am I right? Well, if a compromise REDUCES the amount of these types of comments, wouldn’t that be a good thing? (I know it’s too much to hope that those comments will stop completely, it won’t happen… but just not so DAMN MANY of them, please!)

Besides, I did like the original Peter, apart from the fact that he was The Scarecrow (i.e. he lacked a brain – should have gone to see the Wonderful Wizard lol!). I wouldn’t mind seeing him with the ability to hold onto more than one power again, but he HAS to retain his smarts – I can only see this being feasible if he has a limited number of abilities that he can hold onto, but also if it affects him similar to how Hiro’s power is currently affecting HIM, he would have to think more than before, when he was a ‘god’.

And to answer your question about ‘why give Peter 3 abilities and not 5?’ Or ‘if he has 5, people will want 10′… Good point, but it’s simple: Peter’s original ability was natural – he was born with it, so it was powerful… thus he could retain multiple (perhaps unlimited) abilities. But Peter’s current ability is synthetic (gained via the formula). Therefore it is not as powerful, it is limited – as demonstrated by Peter now having to touch to gain a power (whether him only holding one power is a result of his diminished empathy or the formula remains to be seen).

I would explain him only being able to hold a maximum of 3 abilities AND NO MORE like this: To mimic one ability, Peter’s DNA has to undergo a certain change/ process. With every ability that Peter picks up, his DNA is slightly altered a bit more to compensate for that ability. Any more than 3 alterations (abilities) to his DNA has an adverse effect on Peter, so he COULD absorb 5 abilities, but it might put him into a coma… IN FACT, this is exactly what happened in season 1 when he was absorbing too many powers and it was overwhelming him, remember? (So it has actually been seen/ done before, so maybe my idea isn’t as far out as I thought!)

Couple that idea with the fact that his power is synthetic (therefore more limited than his original power) and it shouldn’t be too hard to make a 3-powered Peter work as a character. I’m not saying that he can’t retain more powers, just that there would be serious consequences – at least for Peter, possibly for the world depending on the abilities he copies (think of a power like Ted’s) – which SHOULD (theoretically!) quell the amount of people who want him to have more. Voila! A ’stronger’ Peter that can still be controlled, and that has to be smart and stay in control .

Sorry for the double post, ppl… The reliability of technology, eh?

@ Karim
I think it’s been mentioned before, but Shapeshifting doesn’t quite work in that way, i.e. it doesn’t allow the ’shifter to take on any abilities of the person they are impersonating.

If it did, then the original ’shifter (James Martin) would have – at the very least – manifested IA when he was in Sylar’s form. And when he was dead (but still had the outward appearance of Sylar), HRG traced his DNA and found out that the body that LOOKED like Sylar was actually James Martin. So shifting shape into another evolved human does not change the DNA coding, nor does it grant the ’shifter the ability to “shift abilities”.

So, no, I don’t think that Shapeshifting will play a part in Peter getting back EM… sorry to burst your bubble mate!

Sk74: Oh, quite. I certainly don’t disapprove of your motives, and I am getting a little tired of having to repeat, over and over, that it is better for the story for Peter not to be a God. My problem with your thinking wasn’t that you couldn’t make it work. I have little doubt it could work for exactly your reasons. That was more to do with people whining- an example of the comment they’d make.

My main problem with your suggestion is, as I said. that multiple combinations of 3 abilities raise Peter above and beyond everyone on the show save Sylar. This is something I, at least, want to avoid. Now, many of these combinations involve regeneration + offensive power + random ability. But we cannot axe regneration by itself as he’s mimicked it multiple times without a problem. Claire won’t die (sadly), nor is it likely her relationship with her uncle will collapse, so he’ll have access to it more or less permanatly. This makes him having even 2 abilities rather suspect. And if we gave him two, then we really would be open to “why not three?” and so on, since the number we say his system can now handle is arbitrary.

@ Swm
A thought just crossed my mind… If Peter does ever get his full original EM back – or at least is able to hold onto multiple abilities – then maybe it will only happen if he ends up becoming a villain for some reason? In other words, if he becomes ‘The New Sylar’… then we get a situation where a godlike Pete is the threat, and the other heroes are underdogs in comparison, and have to take him down. It’s very cliche, I know, but the only way I can see for EM Peter to have a [shortlived] place on the show again… but he would only end up being nerfed again, or better yet, killed permanently. It’s an idea for if Milo ever wanted to leave the show.

SK: “If Parkman’s ability is evolving to the point that he can manifest it in multiple WAYS, as is Tracy’s and probably other characters might undergo the same treatment, then pretty soon Peter might seem like the ‘weakest’ in comparison with his Copy One Power ability. And since he (as far as we know) doesn’t have IA, I wouldn’t expect him to use the copied power to full potential without a lot of practice – unless he is very familiar with the power already (like Flight and Telepathy). So for example, he might copy Tracy’s ability, but only be able to use the ice aspect effectively while he has to learn the water aspect (during which time he might leak himself down a sewer accidentally lol)… so Tracy would initially be more proficient with her ability than Peter would be. Making him weaker than her in a sense. Then we have a situation where all characters except Peter are ’stronger’ by comparison… which is the exact opposite of how it was before.”

Plausible. However, there are a couple of flaws. Peter’s new ability seems to duplicate the power at the complexity of the holder, not at a basic level. Example: Peter borrows Matt’s telepathy in Exposed. He is then able to implant thoughts exactly as Matt does, despite never displaying that aspect of the power previously. This seems to indicate that Peter could do everything Matt could do when he copied that ability from him. Similarly, his Shapeshifting in the car appeared to happen with no pain. Sylar had to work at shapeshifting to reach that point, but Peter got it straight away. So if he took Tracy’s ability now, he would be able to use both Freezing and the water mimicry just as skillfully as she could. Does that make sense?

How is this relevant? Fairly simple really- if other Heroes get boosts, Peter also gets stronger along with them (since he’d copy their boosts, too). Thus his power doesn’t need a boost at all. It’s like Sylar- he’s only as strong as the abilities he collects.

Second post of yours: Villianous Peter is an interesting prospect. People loved IA-Peter for that 1-2 episodes he had it. I would support the idea of Peter becoming an Uber-Villain, in fact that’s probably the only case I’d let him have EM back in. But even more would I like the following scenario:

Peter, for whatever reason, gains IA from Nathan/Sylar (or Samson). The Hunger associated with IA causes him to realise he can gain more then one power at a time, and he therefore chooses to use it over his ability replication. This causes him to begin to go on a Sylar-like killing spree, with the hunger driving him. Angela and Noah are, of course, horrified by this, and get Matt to unlock Sylar from inside “Nathan”, and possibly feed Samson some of Claire’s blood to cure his cancer (maybe even allowing Samson to take Claire’s power). The two Grays then attempt to stop Peter using their multiple abilities, and after an epic battle Peter finally falls dead. Or, if you prefer, Peter is convinced to abandon IA and replicate a new power from Sylar/Samson instead, but keeps all the abilities he gained via IA. This of course leaves him with a huge amount of guilt, similar to Future Gabriel in I Am Become Death, and Sylar would be on the loose again ready for Season 6. Not to mention Samson would be healthy again and another potential threat.

So, you’d get Evil-Peter (IA Peter no less), at least one epic fight sequence (possibly more during Peter’s hunt for more abilities), and at the end Peter has access to multiple abilities again. Everybody wins, right? That would be my ideal Season 5.

@ micky.w.
“if peter gets his scar next season or in the future how do you think he gets it? i belive that shapeshifting is the way, what if peter gets stabbed in the leg say and it leaves a scar then when he keeps ss changing the scar moves around his body ending up across his face (just a thought)”

That’s an interesting idea too… you mean like how Sylar moved his weak spot, right? I like it! To me it would show that Peter wouldn’t have complete control over SS – pretty much like Sylar – or that this is a natural side effect of that ability.

Also, since the original ’shifter is dead and Sylar is ‘buried’ (for the moment), it would make sense if Peter got the scar and it moved to his face while he had the ’shifting ability, then he was forced to shange abilities while the scar was on his face, making it permanent, even if he then acquired Claire’s healing. What do you reckon?

At the begining of season 3, Peter is taken to the future by future Peter, and future Peter is shot dead and doesnt heal… does that mean in the future the only power he has is time travel and shape shifting?
Maybe Peter will learn how to duplicate more than one power at the same time…

Also, the plot is leading to what happened in the future in Season 1 “Five Years Gone”. Sylar, who is pretending to be Nathan using the shape shifting power, kills Claire. It is also mentioned that the real Nathan is dead.

@ cvramen 05.17.09 at 9:03 am
I second bringing Claude back.