September 3, 2008
Weird Spoilers About Adam and Niki (Tracy)
If they are spoilers at all. In TV Guide’s Q&A column there was one question about Adam and Niki.
Question:
I’ve heard a crazy Heroes rumor that Adam and Niki are related. Is that true? — Stacie
Answer:
Matt: It’s certainly crazy! Very crazy! And untrue.
What does it mean? Maybe he want to tell us that they can’t be related because… they are in relationship?
If you remember, there was a spoilers which said that his new bride is going to save him. And in this video, you can see Adam,Niki, Knox and Parkman’s father joined together.
What do you think, was there any reason why TV Guide mentioned it?
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I have a feeling he’s actually her,like, great grand-father or something similar. Or wasn’ t there speculation way back when that Nikki could, for lack of a better term, channel the dead? So, what if, perhaps, after the explosion, she somehow did something and she became, like, her own anscestor that happened to be with Adam?
Ack, I know this is weird and a little bit out there, but what do you think?
My theory-
As Adam only appears in Episode 4, it might mean that it took him a while to get out of the casket. Well, Niki died and her new personality took over, and that must have took a little while too. The new personality went to save Adam, and become his wife. That’s how they are related by untrue (?).
na…
I really don’t think there is anything behind this…
what the hell…!!
nice screen name…
lol
I think there is. & I think its Niki’s alter ego or something connected to her Niki anyway.
I thoughts heroesultrafan’s theory sounded pretty cool.
I think there’s a lot more to this Tracy/Niki thing than meets the eye. Also, I’m a bit weirded out that we now have both a Tracy as a character (even if she spells it differently from my real name) and a GN character who’s 10 years older than me but has the exact same Birthday as me (Connie Logan). Season 1 was freaky enough with Peter being a Hospice nurse with a dad named Arthur and Italian heritage…
to comment on heroesultrafan’s theory, maybe it happens in the future.
just a guess.
I think in the time between Adam and Peter split up, Adam went to see Linderman (the alive one, who I believe is a clone or had a clone) and found Tracy, then under Linderman’s orders she married him. Now Tracy will come find him somehow with whatever her power may be.
can be possible…..
in the graphic novel…10 brides of takezo kensei
adam is also shown have the name michael(i think thts the first name) sanders….
tht was quite some time ago in his life….like mb starting of 20th century
but anyway….thts a common surname
What the … !
It looks like I will have to again set comments on manual approval before they are published.
@heroesultrafan sory but I also had to delete your comment
I got my email this morning and I was shocked. Why can we all just get along? If someone wants to have their own theory or opinion fine. Enjoy, share even. I was totally shocked to see how rude one individual was. Personal attacks are not cool, not to mention they don’t know the first thing about me, like my gender for starters.
Edit by Matej: This discussion ends here.
Anyway, back on topic…. Linderman has something to do with both Tracy and Niki. We already saw in season 1 that Linderman had been following both Niki and DL for years, but no exact number was given.
Two people with the same surname has too be more than chance
I like pie, they tend to be precise with things like that on Heroes, lots of attention to details. I find a coincidence highly unlikely.
I agree with Tarot, Niki and Tracy are conected and it’s Linderman behind all that… I stay on my won with my theory that Tracy is the real Jessica and that she was adopted… Ohhh btw Tracy’s power might be to do with Plants… I think we have been given a hidden spoiler in one of the graphic novels about Paullete Hawkins and that man that could control the flora around him.
@ Rafal
Hmmm… if you’re right about Tracy’s power, that would tie in very neatly with how she gets Adam out of the grave. Interesting…
Its ok. Lets pretend like nothing happened before.
By the way, I remembered one spoiler section where it stated that Heroes will have to save the world on at least 2 occassions. Does it mean one in Volume 3 and one in Volume 4 or 2 in Volume 3? It said that it happens in Season 3, which consists of 2 Volumes.
15 more days to Heroes!
There is a scene in season 2 where micah discovers Monica’s ability he describes his ability and says his dad can walk through walls and then he says “Don’t even get me started on my mom” … foreshadowing maybe? Also I saw scene where Niki or Tracy is looking at herself in a casket
Warning MAJOR SPOILERS if you don’t know much about season 3’s first episode go to youtube and look up Heroes official Trailer August 28 2008 it will shock you
Ohmg. I just realized something.
You know, in the graphic novels online, how it was Adam and he was fighting that guy who could replicate himself?
Okay, there was a rumor gouing around that possibly the guy who could replicate himself was Adam’s son. What if.. Somehow, say, if the guy along with Adam was Nikki’s ancestor and somehow she got that power?
W’sup people!
I know this is going off the subject, but there’s something that has been bugging me for a while now… Something that happened way back in Season 1.
When Hiro went back in time to save Charlie (the waitress with the memory), he altered the past - not in a major way, but just by meeting her before he was actually supposed to. Proof of this is when he appeared in the photo on the Burnt Toast Diner’s noticeboard, when he wasn’t there before.
Wouldn’t this have created a paradox/ alternate timeline?
Charlie didn’t recognise Hiro when he met her in the present with Ando (I would have expected her to have said something about not seeing him for four months or so, which would have baffled the hell out of Hiro as he hadn’t yet made the jump into the past to save her!), but the other waitress seemed to remember Hiro ONLY AFTER ANDO POINTED HIM OUT IN THE PHOTO AND NOT BEFORE. This raises some important issues:
1) Why wasn’t Hiro already in the photo when they walked into the Diner?
2)When Ando was waiting for Hiro to return (”count to 5 and I’ll be back”), wouldn’t he have already become part of an alternate timeline?
3) How could Ando still be waiting for Hiro to return while having knowledge of the ORIGINAL timeline before Hiro jumped, if everyone else in the Diner only had knowledge of the ALTERED timeline where Hiro had met Charlie months ago? He didn’t jump with Hiro, so shouldn’t his memories have changed too?
4) When Hiro returned, wouldn’t he have returned to a slightly changed reality?(Again, the photo with him in it is evidence of this.)
5) Is it possible that Hiro messed up the original timeline in a very small yet fundamental way, which enabled everything to be changed afterwards? i.e. anything is possible now?
Think about it… A waitress who can “remember everything”… that doesn’t remember Hiro when he and Ando walk into the Diner in the present day (!) when technically she had already met him (and had some kind of close relationship with him) a few months prior to that… Does it make sense to anyone out there? Coz it’s hurting my brain! (Call the Haitian, somebody!)
Mistake that they thought we’d never notice? Or a necessary paradox/ deliberate plot twist which will all make sense one day?
Maybe Claire DID get killed and the bomb DID go off as foreseen (in the ORIGINAL reality) but we have since been following events in a PARALLEL reality and just not known it. But it still doesn’t explain how Original Ando could retain his Original memories of meeting Charlie with Original Hiro while the rest of the Diner have Alternate memories, but don’t seem to recognise Hiro before he jumps back.
Confused? Good. Share my pain!
Any suggestions, anyone?
Fix: What I meant to imply was Niki’s power might not be super strength and they were foreshadowing that and on my other post I mean’t the 27th
s.k.74, neat theory. I’m wondering if they will do anything with that. It bothered me too, that with as close as Charlie and Hiro had been, even ignoring her power, that she would have recognized someone she’d been that close with and been like “OMG why did you leave?” or something… So either it’s a massive oversight or we are in fact in an alternate time line.
Thanks Tarot! Glad I’m not the only one who noticed. I would hate to think that Kring & co made such a simple mistake - it would imply that they are mere mortals like the rest of us. But they had better come up with a damn good explanation as to how Alternate Ando keeps his Original Timeline Memories in an alternate reality! Like Sylar, “I’d like to know how that works…”
Anyone ?
s.k.74 Cool theory, but I think is you time traval/tele (Ando) you remember everything from the “main” Timeline. Also in “Saveing Charlie” the book-She knew of her death in the changed time line. She simply did not acknowledge Hiro when they “met for the first time”. I fyou read the book it makes a LOT more sense Lol
Thanks, I like pie, I will read the book to see if it sheds any light on things…
As for Ando, what I meant was this: He travelled with Hiro (on foot/ by car - no teleporting) to reach the Diner, right? (correct me if I’m wrong). This is in the original reality.
Charlie might not have acknowledged Hiro, but she should have already remembered him from before, even if she didn’t say that she knew him… therefore, the other waitress at the Diner should have recognised him as well (*important point #1 - I will tell you why in a minute!).
Also (important point #2) the photo on the wall should have ALREADY had Hiro in it… but it didn’t.
Now… Charlie gets killed, Hiro travels back to save her… LEAVING ANDO SITTING THERE waiting for him… So Ando is still in the original reality WHILE IT CHANGES AROUND HIM!
OK, here’s the paradox… Ando doesn’t go anywhere, he is in the same reality in the same Diner… but suddenly the photo on the wall is showing Hiro in Charlie’s birthday photo! To top that off, Ando asks the other waitress “do you know this guy?”… and the waitress says “Yes, that’s Hiro…” and something about him and Charlie being close, until he just disappeared out of her life a few months ago!
She DOESN’T, however look at Ando like he’s crazy and say “That’s your friend that you just walked in here with… Nor does she say anything about the photo changing from how she remembered it.
SO (to refer to important point #1) HER memories have been changed! Also, because of important point #2, the photo has changed - at least to us, but not to the waitress - so we know that Hiro has made a subtle change in the timeline.
So we have an Ando who remembers walking in with a Hiro that nobody seems to know and whose return he is awaiting… and a waitress who seems to remember a Hiro in the past THAT SHE HASN’T SEEN SINCE… both in the same Diner at the same time! So my question is, how is that possible? If the waitress had at least acknowledged that Hiro had walked in with Ando THIS time around, and if the original photo on the wall had already featured Hiro, it might have made sense, but it seems as if Ando remembers the original sequence of events while the waitress remembers the CHANGED sequence of events (i.e. she probably remembers Ando as having arrived at the Diner on his own). PARADOX!!!!
So, I hope you can understand what I was getting at now, coz I sure don’t… (8-S
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i think that tracy is the twin of niki and was never killed by the father which is why she got a whole new power……or maybe each personality has its own power?? cause tracys power is to freeze stuff
Can Tracy ( Niki’s sister) actually be related to Adam, or his newest bride?
That’s what I said but nooo. Nobody listens to me..
Married…..no…i think not. Maybe Adam is her REAL father or grandfather or somthing. Im gunna say no on the marraige thing though.
S.K 74, haha you confused me a little with you why-timeline-is-altered stuff. Well, only when Hiro jumped back, the photo appeared, and before that, Hiro wasn’t involved with Charlie in the original timeline. Charlie still died, so nothing changed.
Yeah, the timeline things always hurt my head, unless it;s something like, Hiro going back to Feudal Japan, that was easy to understand.