Heroes stars Adrian Pasdar and Greg Grunberg discuss what they think could happen in Season 4 of Heroes. Here’s the whole interview:
Well, folks, Heroes has done it again. Nathan Petrelli may have expired with a glorious, gurgling coda, but his character lives on — thanks to Matt Parkman — reincarnated inside a mind-wiped version of arch-villain Sylar. While the closing moments of the Season 3 finale suggest that Sylar’s presence still exists in “Nathan,” have we seen the last of the furry-browed Sylar we’ve always known?
“Zach’s not done,” Adrian Pasdar tells TVGuide.com. “There’s Nathan, there’s Sylar, and there’s the point of view that you have to factor in. If I look up into the mirror, who would I see?”
Naturally, the twist sets up an epic internal battle between Nathan and Sylar in Season 4. “Who’s going to be able to control the actions of the body?” Pasdar teases. “Like one of those computers that self-teaches, the longer he stays in my body and the longer he assimilates my physical structure and DNA, the more control I get. So it becomes a battle of who’s in charge.”
Pasdar says when he first learned that his character was going to “die,” he was thrilled. “I wanted to try something new with Nathan, with the idea of the character,” he says. “And I think they’ve found a much more interesting way to engage. It’s much more interesting for me to play what’s coming up than anything I could have imagined without dying.”
As long as Sylar exists, however, the heroes will have problems. And now, they have Parkman — and master manipulators Noah Bennett and Angela Petrelli — to blame. Greg Grunberg says keeping this dirty little secret will present its share of problems next season.
“You’ve got an alliance right now with the three of us, but Angela Petrelli is not to be trusted. And you don’t want to get on her bad side,” Grunberg says. “I did what they asked me to do, and now they’re going to ask me to do more and get in deeper. It’s going to be a spiral that is going to tear my character up. It leads me to believe that next season is just going to be awesome.”
No matter how “awesome” next season could be, will fans stick around? After all, the death producers promised would stick has technically been unstuck. Pasdar says he’s not worried.
“Some things should stick, otherwise there’s no weight if you’re going to reset everybody’s history every 10 minutes, and nobody’s going to pay attention anymore,” Pasdar says. “But as fascinating as concepts might be, ultimately it’s people that engage viewership. If you’re going to ask people to tune in week to week, you want to follow somebody’s plight, not some nameless story arc. We’ve tried to be consistent — sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But I think we’re going to come out on top.”
Pasdar also hopes Nathan’s path crosses with the returning Tracy Strauss, who, with a revenge mission driving her, could become a major Season 4 villain. Grunberg, on the other hand jokes that he might have evil intentions of his own.
“Only Parkman knows truly how to control [Sylar], so it would be cool if I could unleash him,” he says. “I could tell HRG and Angela everything is OK, meanwhile I unleash the monster. I don’t know why I would do it, but maybe if I get pushed to the point where I just can’t take it any more, I let the monster out.”
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to swm:
first of all lollolololololololololololololololol.
“Peter and Sylar will fight again if the writers want it. Not us, but them. There is nothing necessary about it. It is not destined to happen. It is arguably not even being built up. It is that simple.”
I don’t think its that simple. of course the writers are going to do what they want to do. its there show, but i think they value there fans opinion because we are the ones that watch the show, which gives the show rating, which gives the tv station a reason to renew there contract for another season. and i believe that it is destined to happen and it is being build up simple and plain, no matter what you seem to think.
first of all peter will get his powers back, i’ll put money on that. it might not be his old em, but he will be able to hold more then one power at once by touching people like he does now. but now he won’t go around just getting any power he will pick and choose wisely, because he seem what happen before when he got a power he couldn’t control like ted’s and future sylars. so he will end up balancing sylar when he decides hes not nathan.
“No. For the vast majority of Season 1 Peter was still figuring out what the hell his ability was and how to make it work. Sylar, meanwhile, had multiple abilities already. This is why I said “most of Season 1”. At the end of it Peter was stronger, but Sylar was better for at least the first half. ”
I understand what you saying but what i was saying when everyone fought sylar at the end of season 1 peter was stronger.
“No, you really don’t. Axe Sylar from the story (and only Sylar). Does Heroes suddenly become a terrible show? No? Then you do not need 1 super-powerful Villian and 1 super-powerful Hero to have a good story. The exact same would be true if it were Peter or Arthur that were killed. ”
Swm i’m sorry but thats not true. In every story that has multi heroes and villians there is always one from each group that stands out, that is the most powerful. usually thats how you get leader of the groups. if they didn’t have peter and sylar in the story i think heroes would suck and crash and burn unless they had two other powerful hero and villian to fill the void. i think that heroes revolve around those two, even tho they have other characters and they tell there stories as well, you can’t have heroes with out peter and sylar, im’ sorry you can’t. i like hiro and ando but there is no way in hell you can base a whole show around them two, i wouldn’t watch that if my life depended on it. the same goes for any other character other then sylar and peter.
“In your opinion. You say an epic battle between Sylar and Peter is great. You say that Heroes needs more action. I offer you more action in the form of multiple heroes vs Sylar and you claim it’s boring? What does it take with you?”
lol. up to this point you had good comments and opinions, but that one just is stupid. lol. sorry. lollolololol. you like totally missed the point. of course if you ask any other heroes fan “do a epic battle between sylar and peter would be great?” they would tell you hell yeah. come on man you are trippin if you wouldn’t to see that. yes heroes need more fight scenes and more action, right now its like a day time soap. it has a great story line, good scene, but min on the action. and yes heroes v.s. sylar again boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol. thats not more action???!!!!!!!! i’m talking about fight scenes at least once each episode that lasts for longer then 10 to 30 seconds. to get what i’m saying now, maybe i didn’t explain it enough last time.
“What I personally want to see doesn’t matter. Neither does what you want to see. Have I made this clear yet?”
yeah you made that clear. but this is a open form dude. i’m just trying to express to fellow heroes fan predictions and get there opinion, ya feel me? i guess not. what we want doesn’t matter. but i bet the writers check stuff like this to see what fans opinion are.
“Hmm. Perhaps, (and this is a long shot) more fights? Neither Sylar nor Peter can be killed easily. Don’t try and tell me they can only have 1 fight, because they’ve had more then that already.”
the more fights can come from any characters for real. they don’t have to have more fights between sylar and peter but the big epic fight will be between sylar and peter.
“So go watch Smallville. Heroes is what it is. Sometimes that is not what we want it to be. That does not mean the writers should bow to what you action junkies want.”
i like heroes dude, i was just making a suggestion. and i think there is alot of people would agree with me. and i’m not a action junkie dude.
@ Anthony
First off… I am not Swm, Swm is not me. We happen to agree on some things, and we disagree on other things. Simple as.
There is a lot to respond to, but it’s getting late so I’ll (try to) keep it brief!
I loved the old character of EM Peter… but it annoyed me that he had no inkling on how to best use his multiple powers! It’s like he had so much power that he couldn’t remember what he had or how to use them effectively. The ‘new’ OneCopy power isn’t as impressive by comparison, but the boy grew a brain at last! How can you say he’s not smarter? By your admission (or was it Joey, I forget) he has to “wisely choose” what which ability to copy now. And, you must admit, he was wise enough to play President and Tranq Sylar – displaying some actual intelligence! Yeah, Sylar might only have been caught out coz he got too cocky, but that is the result of being overpowered… you develop a GOD COMPLEX and think that you’re untouchable/ unstoppable, and stop thinking rationally. This is what EM Peter suffered from IMO. (Remember his ’scuffle’ with Sylar before going down to Pinehearst? “I’m the special one… I’m the most powerful…” etc etc. Then what happens next? That’s right… he storms down to Pinehearst and gets ALL those lovely abilities jacked from him by his presumed dead dad… Special no more! All the powers in the world couldn’t save him from that, could they? Oh, but a working brain cell might have!)
And remember this… Power Corrupts, and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. The supervillain SHOULD have too much power, and pose a real, tangible and great threat. The hero ideally should be less powerful, but should still fight for what’s right despite the limitations… this is what characterises them as a hero. The fact that they can be killed but they STILL risk life and limb is the noble cause that they follow. Remember when Mohinder told a still-powerless Hiro to tell the authorities that he isn’t a threat anymore and save himself, “It’s not your fight anymore”? Did Hiro chicken out and book himself a nice holiday on a sunny beach? NO!!! He wanted to stay and help his friends, even though they were more powerful than he was. This is what a true Hero is about, not about having X-amount of powers to balance out the bad guy! I think that this was an important lesson that a lot of fans missed, big time. It’s not about having a gun big enough to match the enemy’s, it’s about using the firepower that you have – no matter how weak or nonexistent – to render the enemy helpless/ counteract the threat, even if it kills you. This is why Nathan showed he was more Hero than Villain in the end, going up against Sylar with Flight… and even in season 1, risking getting blow up to save the city.
Anyway, back to Peter… He done just fine with one power and some intelligence IMO. Rather than rush blindly into a slugfest thinking “I have all this power, I’m so strong” and getting his ass whupped, he thought ahead and STOPPED THE THREAT like he INTENDED to. Not to mention all the times he escaped/ evaded capture. Why spoil it?
I do think his power will evolve, though. The writers have said that Pete getting his power back “won’t be easy”. And one more thing to think about… You seem to be anticipating a showdown where a fully-powered Peter battles a fully powered Sylar… what I would hope to see, is a fully powered Peter that has become the VILLAIN (whether he has become corrupt, has IA, is angry at the Nathan/ Sylar deception, or whatever) and fully powered Sylar as the unexpected ‘hero’ that has to take him down. This is the only way I can see Peter being allowed to be so powerful again – if he then becomes the unstoppable threat himself. And it also throws a new twist on things, instead of just ‘The Epic Battle That We’ve All Been Waiting For’.
Well, that’s my lot for now…
@ Joey
Just had to say, you’re kinda contradicting yourself.
If, as you say, the writers are building up to a Peter-Sylar confrontation/ battle, then they know what they are doing, don’t they? So there is a reason that Peter hasn’t got his full powers at the moment, isn’t there? Therefore, if they want to give him his full power back, they’ll do it when they’re good and ready (and not a second before) and in the way they see fit, don’t you think? So it stands to reason that you – or anyone else – crying about Peter ‘not having his full ability/ needing to get his powers back’ is futile, agreed?
To quote yourself, “Ofcourse they’re going to give peter back his powers! This huge fan base want it and they want to see this ultimate showdown! THEY BEEN BUILDING UPTO IT!!!…think about it”
So by saying that, you’ve just negated the very comment that you yourself made about “Peter needs to get his original power back…”. THINK ABOUT IT!
Oh, and by the way, I don’t feel the need to resort to name-calling to back up my comments, so I’ll refrain from calling you anything… but you can keep ur apples, they’ve gone rotten LOL!
“I don’t think its that simple. of course the writers are going to do what they want to do. its there show, but i think they value there fans opinion because we are the ones that watch the show, which gives the show rating, which gives the tv station a reason to renew there contract for another season. and i believe that it is destined to happen and it is being build up simple and plain, no matter what you seem to think.”
The writers valuing our opinions and the writers outright doing what we want them to do are two very different things. You are asking for the latter.
“Swm i’m sorry but thats not true. In every story that has multi heroes and villians there is always one from each group that stands out, that is the most powerful. usually thats how you get leader of the groups. if they didn’t have peter and sylar in the story i think heroes would suck and crash and burn unless they had two other powerful hero and villian to fill the void. i think that heroes revolve around those two, even tho they have other characters and they tell there stories as well, you can’t have heroes with out peter and sylar, im’ sorry you can’t. ”
You clearly misread me. I said Sylar and ONLY Sylar, not both. You say we need two things for a good show- One Uber-Hero and one Uber-Villian. I responded by saying that, since Heroes is not a terrible show without an Uber-Villian (or, a villian and no Uber-Hero), this statement is untrue. To admit otherwise is to say the entire second and third seasons of the show (where you have one, but not the other), were terrible. And I think you would find plenty of people who would disgaree with such a statement. You’re also repeating the same bad argument you made before- that since everyone else is doing it, Heroes must as well. It’s still bad.
“lol. up to this point you had good comments and opinions, but that one just is stupid. lol. sorry. lollolololol.”
Personal attacks really don’t help your cause, FYI.
“you like totally missed the point. of course if you ask any other heroes fan “do a epic battle between sylar and peter would be great?” they would tell you hell yeah. come on man you are trippin if you wouldn’t to see that.”
And as I’ve been saying (repeatedly, in fact), it doesn’t matter what we want to see.
“yes heroes need more fight scenes and more action, right now its like a day time soap. it has a great story line, good scene, but min on the action. and yes heroes v.s. sylar again boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol. thats not more action???!!!!!!!! i’m talking about fight scenes at least once each episode that lasts for longer then 10 to 30 seconds. to get what i’m saying now, maybe i didn’t explain it enough last time.”
Firstly…you want to see a decent fight in every single episode, and you claim you’re not an action junkie?
Secondly, ponder this. What you want in an epic fight are plenty of powers on display, right? That’s why Peter vs Sylar is so appealing. Yet in Sylar vs The World you would still get that huge amount of powers on display because so many people are involved. They’re not all in one body, sure, but why the hell should that matter? Powers are powers. Doesn’t matter if Tracy freezes something or Sylar does. So if this is true…how can the Peter/Sylar fight be epic and Sylar vs The World boring if the only difference is the powers are all in two people?
“yeah you made that clear. but this is a open form dude. i’m just trying to express to fellow heroes fan predictions and get there opinion, ya feel me? i guess not. what we want doesn’t matter. but i bet the writers check stuff like this to see what fans opinion are.”
I have no problem with you expressing your opinion. I am arguing with you because your claim your opinion is destined to happen when it appears to depend on some rather shaky premises. Furthermore, if the writers ARE reading these, the last thing I want them to see is a hoard of “Peter should get his EM back!” posts, and actually act on it based on fan opinion. This is why I try as hard as I can to convince people that he should not get that power back.
You’re allowed to say what you want. I’m also allowed to criticise any and all of it as much as I want. That’s all I’ve done.
“the more fights can come from any characters for real. they don’t have to have more fights between sylar and peter but the big epic fight will be between sylar and peter.”
Aha! So if you claim we can have good fights without Peter and Sylar involved, why does the show turn to crap without them? Lack of action is a common hate with the show, I admit. But that does not equate to needing Sylar and Peter to beat each other senseless to fix it. You want more action. I give you more action in a form that doesn’t include Peter vs Sylar. The problem is fixed without ever needing your epic battle.
@ Swm 05.14.09 at 8:32 pm
“Think about this, then. “The fans want it” is not a good excuse for the writers to do anything. No matter how many or how badly they want it. See, I want Charlie and Knox and Claude back. Should the writers do it because I want it? Hell no.”
You’re forgetting that while Charlie and Knox are dead- very dead, Claude is still very much alive and still has a lot of his story that could be told.
hey, yee i put that suck on them apples (from good will hunting) knowing full well you could turn it round on me but i did it anyway. And yes looking back i did contradict myself and (which people havent noticed XD) repeated things lol. I was in a rush to write it because i was going out and wanted to get my opinions heard, btw its ACE you keep quoting me lol. Back to business…
I don’t think the idea of Peter turning all powerful villain and Sylar fighting him would work. Peter is a hero…hes been one of the good and innocent characters (aside from ofcourse Hiro) all the way through.
The writers are going to do what the fans want, because thats where they get paid from. I’m not saying give Peter back his powers NOW! But maybe he should sort of grow them and then in the end when Sylar has defeated everyone and is about to kill everyone infront of Peters eyes Peter finds the strength and unleashes his original powers and you have your big showdown between the two. Either that or you have a new villain and he uses Sylar so when all the heroes go to stop them they have sylar in there way and peter has to ”end it” between them both while the rest go fight the big bad guy lol.
but i do think they are building upto it, the fans want to see Peter back with his Original powers and the writers know that! Peter is ok now but he is going ot get them back eventually and like i’ve said before they’re building upto it…i kept thinking Peter was going to get his original powers back when he kept saying give me the strengh
“I don’t think the idea of Peter turning all powerful villain and Sylar fighting him would work. Peter is a hero…hes been one of the good and innocent characters (aside from ofcourse Hiro) all the way through.”
*cough*IA-Peter in Season 3*cough*
“The writers are going to do what the fans want, because thats where they get paid from.”
So, because the writers are greedy, they should do what whatever we want because that will get them the most money? That is the most outrageous justification for a plot device I have ever heard…
….what the hell do you think i meant?? the writers do this for a living and if they want to keep it that way they’ll give the fans what they want to keep them entertained…r u doin this on a purpose 2 annoy me?
I’m doing this to prove you’re blatantly wrong. I have heard more complaints about this show then I have about any in a long time. If the writers are writing their storylines in order to gain the most ratings to gain the most money, they are doing an awful job of it. Given the amount of things they’ve done most of us don’t agree with, you really think they’ll suddenly start do whatever we want?
Besides, do you really think the show can’t be entertaining unless it is exactly what you want it to be? I seriously doubt it.
Y the f*** u ppl wasting time discussing.. y don’t u leave the creativity to the writers and just stfu nd wait fr the new season!!
@ Shaky
So you mean that this forum should shut down then?
HEY……all of you…..can you just wait for the nest season to run….i think its gonna be out this october….just wait….FYI….you guys have been flooding my inbox in my e-mail…..just wait…….im a fan too….i cant take it anymore….flooding my e-mail….LOL
@ jay
So you mean that this forum should shut down then?
LOL!
OK..well for the last shot…i have just finished reviewing season 2 of heroes and this “claire’s blood thing that could bring back dead people” , which what me and the guys wanted for nathan so he could live, well, after reviewing i discovered that noah came back from the dead using the combination of mohinder and claire’s blood…maybe that is why they didnt use claire’s blood to bring nathan back….so….close this forum now….
peter got all of sylar’s powers so he is going to play a big role in the next season so will matt parkman
whoaaa can’t get enough. I hope volume 5/season four will appear faster.
Hey, you xtreme fans, does anyone know excactly WHEN the Saeson 4 opening will come out? I’d much appreciate it
Cmaster#1HeroesFan, it’s coming out in late September apparently (14th or 21st, I think I read, may be different dates) and will go on till Febuary- so the season will consist of 19 episodes or so. I read this on severel different sites and am pretty sure it’s true. On Heroes NBC website, if you click on Heroes Twitter and go a few pages back, this makeup artist for heroes says that Heroes will begin filming in June for its Fall return. I’m really missing Heroes every Monday!!!
I have gone back slightly on my hope that Peter should get all his powers back. You see, Heroes shouldn’t be based around Sylar and Peter faceoffs, although this may be what a large section of the Heroes fans want, the writers shouldn’t just do what they want them too. Having Peter and Sylar always being the most powerful would begin to get pretty repetitive and obviously DID as they stripped Peter of most of his powers. Having a less powerful Peter increased his ability to actually THINK and use his brain, and returned to him a more human look, and if Sylar and Peter did face off again, there would be a more interesting battle because for once the two weren’t similar in strength. You know, it doesn’t always have to be a Peter Sylar faceoff (yeah there was that Nathan Sylar thingy at the end of volume 4 but you can’t really call it a fight since Nathan was killed within seconds), it could be a joint effort with different heroes with different powers. It would be a bit like Peter with all his powers facing off against Sylar only in different people and maybe more interesting…and also….why is everything against Sylar??? Why can’t there be an interesting NEW villain instead? It would certainly bring something new to the show.
I find this Nathan/Sylar thing a pretty good storyline…and people going “oh he’ll find his watch touch it and then *shazam* Sylar is back!” slightly boring. What a stupid way to end a potentially great storyline. There should be a battle raging between the two. I doubt (AND HOPE) the writers don’t end the storyline so abruptly.
I also think Heroes deserves to get its ratings back up, because after all its a great show.
@ Emzy
Everything you said… I couldn’t have put it better myself.
just shapeshiftin if u listen when there in the limo u can hear peter say ” i bet u never thought i took shapeshifting from u” ryte before he sticks him with the tranqulizer
o and all i wanna c is a kick ass battle of the powers between sylar and peter where 1 dies and 1 lives i dont think were seein enough battles at all. i wanna c sum dam fighting i wanna c sum serius ass kicking is that 2 much 2 ask for is it?
i wanna see the future peter and the future bad ass claire again where claire is trying tp take down peter and peter has a big scar on his face which who still knows where that came from? hiro and ando should just get it over with and go brokeback mountain like they always wanted to
I’m sorry, this isn’t MacGyver so I could careless about Peter having to be Charles Forbes and use his brain to think….the 2nd part of this season was worst than the 1st…for one, they have webisodes with insignificant characters like Echo who can escape agents and even agents with abilities…yet they ALL were over-powered so easy by Danko and his men…once again, ONLY Sylar can take all the electrical pulses and negate them…I mean say what you want but the reality of it is NOTHING has worked on him EVER since the 1st time Mohinder had him drugged and he turned off the anesthesia with his TK…explain how gunshots didn’t affect him but Hiro’s sword which broke almost killed him?? Samson’s “Siren’s song” that put him was supposed to put him to sleep didn’t work either…and for the record, the one time Peter/Sylar had a 15 second fight in Mohinder’s house, Sylar beat him even with his invisibility and Claire’s healing…for all we know right now, Peter has all the abilities he’s picked up and is storing them, which is what he originally was…a Power Bank that he never understood until training with Claude…this is where you can bring Claude back to help him regain the understanding of his abilities and bring them to the surface…he had to learn to use multiple abilities and they should either keep to that, which is what they meant saying it won’t be easy for Peter to get his powers back…he’s gone through alot without them and I still believe his heartfelt talk with GOD at the church has a meaning, as much meaning as Micah telling Sylar you can save us all…part of Sylar seemed like he wanted to, but he can’t control the hunger…Maybe it’s Sylar and Peter that give their life for all the Heroes in the end or just one…I could see Sylar trying to kill Pete and the part of him that’s Nathan won’t allow it…
@ gotay78 05.18.09 at 8:25 pm
Thank you for pointing out what you did about Claude. All too often of late either people say he is unimportant or are like “Who was he?” He really needs to come back. Not only to teach Peter (and possibly others) but also because there is so much of his story that could and needs to be told.
@Tarot, agreed 100% and Claude to be honest knows more about the company than HRG since he there long before he came! He’s seen the testing on these people and would know many of them…his training with Peter was cool and it was interesting how he summoned his abilities when need be…right now, Peter has lost his way and Claude would be perfect to bring him back to earth. Baby Touch and Go proved by touching Hiro that his power never left and has been surpressed so he can’t use it….the baby can’t start things that aren’t already there so it goes to show Peter still has the core of his empathy…also, I watched Season 1 again recently with a friend whom never watched Heroes (he’s hooked now! lol) and it occured to me that Peter only took TK from Sylar and nothing else..similar to now how he only took Morphing but yet it wasn’t the ability Sylar was currently using…if that’s the case, he should’ve gotten Elle’s electricity but to date, none of us including Peter knows exactly how this new ability works….I have a strong belief that he’s storing all these powers because the Russian Roulette explanation how he just took that one ability would be ultimately lame…he doesn’t even know how the ability works since he’s never touched anyone else with multiple abilities so how would he know to just take that one? Let’s hope the answer will be one we can all live with and we know they will definitely recap the fight in that room, as they did with the explosion of Peter in Season 2…
ok whos with me….hiro and ando are gay…they want to raise a child together (baby matt parkman), and they talk about batman and robin all the time who are proven gay with each other, and now hiro is starting to get his period out of his nose like a women. but seriously claire is way more hot chasing down scarface peter and i could watch some more of that. and who knows that was the future..maybe it will happen. Im pretty sure peter kills sylar for good cause angela had a dream of peter killing nathan but sylar did, now sylar thinks hes nathan, so somehow peter finds out and kills the sylar that looks like nathan, the vision angela saw. angela even said her dreams can be decieving. that is probably the most acurate prediction to date.
“I have a strong belief that he’s storing all these powers because the Russian Roulette explanation how he just took that one ability would be ultimately lame…he doesn’t even know how the ability works since he’s never touched anyone else with multiple abilities so how would he know to just take that one?”
I think it’s much simpler then that. Peter knew Sylar had shapeshifting. He aimed to take shapeshifting and he got it, but nothing else. It’s no different then him absorbing an ability from anyone else.
@Swm, if that were so then there is no simple explanation…if it were simple, we wouldn’t have to speculate on how/why he got that particular power from someone who has multiple…you’re saying he aimed…aimed what?? He doesn’t even know or the extent of the new ability he has so what would make him think he can just “aim it”? I go back to Nathan’s phrase in the lobby before the encounter “My brother can do whatever Sylar can do if we get him close enough to touch him”…they didn’t just want the ability to Morph into the President, it made it seem as he would have anything Sylar could…I’m sure when they re-visit the scene they will have to show him grabbing it and taking it, but I’m counting on them using that as a platform to either evolve Peter’s power or show he’s still a Power Bank but must acquire abilities by touching rather than empathy…think about it, everyone says Sylar lost all his abilities in Season 2 he had before he injected himself with the formula…but he didn’t lose TK! I know about the speculation if this is one of his inate abilities, but I doubt it because he couldn’t do it until he killed the guy and then showed Suresh so that would just lead to further speculating..we must go off what the show says and Sylar which is IA..if so, he should’ve lost TK also, but I never got the feeling he lost all his abilities in Season 2…I think they were supressed like what’s happened to Hiro and Peter…if that’s the case, Peter should still have his abilities since it’s a similar kind of serum they used…I know the 1st one didn’t give abilities made from Mohinder’s blood, but Peter injecting himself with abilities and already having a genetic precursor, would probably just change the ability type like touching rather than empathy…this is why Claude would be such a pivotal character because he can help Pete re-discover this and he has so much history with the company…hopefully they bring him back…
“@Swm, if that were so then there is no simple explanation…if it were simple, we wouldn’t have to speculate on how/why he got that particular power from someone who has multiple…you’re saying he aimed…aimed what?? He doesn’t even know or the extent of the new ability he has so what would make him think he can just “aim it”?”
I mean his “goal” was to take shapeshifting. Not that he was aiming his power at anything. I can counter Nathan’s line with Peter’s own: “Didn’t think I’d pick that one, huh?” Emphasis: that one. One. I’m pretty sure Noah and Peter had the President thing planned out- right after they fight Sylar Noah asks if he has Sylar’s power (singular). Peter will probably get multiple abilties at some point (though I hope not), but he doesn’t have them yet.
“think about it, everyone says Sylar lost all his abilities in Season 2 he had before he injected himself with the formula…but he didn’t lose TK! I know about the speculation if this is one of his inate abilities, but I doubt it because he couldn’t do it until he killed the guy and then showed Suresh so that would just lead to further speculating..we must go off what the show says and Sylar which is IA..if so, he should’ve lost TK also, but I never got the feeling he lost all his abilities in Season 2…I think they were supressed like what’s happened to Hiro and Peter…”
Sylar did lose all his abilities except TK and IA. The writers confirmed that. TK’s different because it was his first kill- it has an empathic component to it, even though he didn’t get it by empathy. At the time that would be Sylar’s only “empathic” ability. It wasn’t innate, you are correct there. But there is a distinction between it and the rest of Sylar’s skills (Lightning and shapeshifting perhaps aside now). Since the Shanti Virus didn’t outright destroy DNA it is likely Sylar has the DNA from them still in his system. I find your idea that they are “suppressed” quite plausible. However, I very much doubt he’ll get them back. He already has 10-11 abilities, eight or nine more is just insane…the writers know the limit, I think.
Sylar may actually be toned down in the near future, I think. If he was reduced to only his empathy abilities (IA, TK, Lightning, Shapeshifting, and possibly Flight if he indeed has it), he’d be at the perfect power level for me- still scary as hell and very hard to kill, but not invincible. As for Claude, the man has made another appearance in the very latest graphic novel. As long as the writers make the occasion reference to him I sincerly hope he will return someday.
@ gotay78 05.19.09 at 3:48 pm and at 9:07 pm
“this is why Claude would be such a pivotal character because he can help Pete re-discover this and he has so much history with the company…hopefully they bring him back…”
Have you seen the latest GN? Claude is important in it.
Go here: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novels_display.shtml?novel=138
@Tarot, no I haven’t…I went on NBC.com yesterday or could’ve been the day before and they still had the GN with the Mud Girl and Micah…I will now, thanks bro! The showing of him more and more makes me feel he will definitely be back and play a pivotal role as he did in Season 1…NICE!!!
@Swm, I didn’t really understand how Sylar still had TK, but that would sound at least believable…so then wouldn’t Peter still have flying as one of his main empathic abilities still? I mean there powers are very similar so I wouldn’t be reaching to ponder this…hmmm…well, I kind of still lean toward the surpressed ability theory seeing Hiro’s power slightly comeback by Parkman’s son…I also believe Ando will die this season making Hiro to the Dark Hiro we saw previously…also, I wonder how Peter gets his scar? I know that will play a role somehow before he gets his abilities back since he had healing in the future and time travel…either way, I hope we get some good displays this season and a few more at least battles with people with abilities…
@tarot, just read the new GN and it’s awesome! Nice that they finally dug intot the background and Claude’s appearance was great to see! I wonder if the new company and REBEL will combat each other in SEason 4? Imagine seeing that part in the show with they displayed in the GN with the forcefield, to the terrakinesis down to West flying them out with the Bldg collapsing? That’s what people want to see on the show, the display of the abilities and guaranteed viewers will come running back in a heartbeat….
I hope Nathan comes back somehow… if only Claire injected him with her blood or something? I really miss Nathan. But I still have my brother, Peter. Hopefully that’s enough to sustain me through another season without Nathan? If he comes back I will run around the neighborhood screaming and if Tracy comes back . . . I think she’d make an AMAZING villian. She’s got the dangerous looks to it I love her, even though I’m Nathan’s.
if peter did get all of sylars powers then he also got the hunger and then he would go on a killing spree. so i hope he did lol. And Long Live Sylar!
does no1 remenmber that at the begining of the 1st season peter could only take on 1 power it was untill his powers evolved that he could sore more and more and there hasnt been anything said to make me belive that its not the same case now as he has really not long had his powers back. As for sylar it’s obious he will make a return because they are running out of villians and as every1 has said they keep teasing us with peter vs sylar then taking it away so eventually it will come
“”does no1 remenmber that at the begining of the 1st season peter could only take on 1 power it was untill his powers evolved that he could sore more and more and there hasnt been anything said to make me belive that its not the same case now as he has really not long had his powers back. As for sylar it’s obious he will make a return because they are running out of villians and as every1 has said they keep teasing us with peter vs sylar then taking it away so eventually it will come”
Just to add to my last comment peter may have said you didnt expect me to take that 1 in the last episode but again every1 assume’s that he was talking about the shape shifting because that’s what he had just done. The way i see it what was actually meant was that sylar senced that he had all his powers by taking sylar’s original understanding and mimicing abilaty then copying the rest. I dnt know but to me they both seem like 2 very realistic options in the whole world of heroes.
The other thing i was thinking is that alot of people have metioned claire’s blood thing, the only thing i have to add on that point is that not only did they want to resolve nathan’s death but also and i think more importantly as sylar had moved the only spot that can kill him and it could have been anywhere and nearly impossible for them to find in time they had to get rid of him as he is the major villian. and im my opinion that was a very clever way to intergrate the 2 parts and leave them with plenty material for further seasons. So i think they were thinking it was the best choice out of the 2 because obviously they couldnt bring nathan back and get rid of sylar and they didn’t want any1 out of that room to know what happened. Just my opinion please tell me what you think.
You cant beat Noah Bennett he don’t need no power and is still the most powerful
character he and Sylar. And why partially get rid of sylar when hes the most interesting character
mateo, Jessica has an alter ego called Niki but they are the same person and it is a alter ego there are 3 sisters said in one of the episodes, Jessica and Niki died in te fire while saving and then Tracy Strauss died killed by Danko she froze herself, the only one we don’t know her name is this 3 sister that turns to water, same power as the girl in the webisod. This 3rd sister might not be aware of her 2 other sisters that have died. remember what was said, “there are 3 of you” triplets???
Yeah!!! Why would you think it’s a different sister? Tracy blinked her eye when she shattered. When you saw that happen that should have told you she did not die. One thing for the record Jessica was Niki’s DEAD sister as her alter ego not meaning her sister was alive. When she faced her father Jessica was incontrol of Niki THAT IS WHY HE FEARED HER BECAUSE HE WAS TALKING TO JESSICA NOT NIKI.
3 Sisters Niki Jessica and Tracy NOOOOOOO Barbra……..
Ice and Water are the same substance!!!!!!
Don’t jump the gun too far.
They spoke about Jessica being dead she was the 1st dead sister not a fake personality of Niki’s. Every one who knew Niki knew Jessica. Leaving Tracy the only sister left. Why does everyone think because she formed from water that she is someone else. That is her ability water and ice. How is that so different?
Peter needs to get his powers back. Everyone cries and whines when they hear this because Peter would be “to strong”. The show was never about powers to begin with. In the first season it was more about the characters and the story.
@Peter P.
I agree with you fully on that account. It doesn’t matter how powerfull Petrelli is as long as his characterization works. If they made him powerful with an attitude like Q from Star Trek: TNG, it wouldn’t work. What people don’t want to see is an omnipotent asshole.
Peter could be made powerful but still have some inherant character flaw that could lead to his downfall (the literatry definition of a Tragic character). (This has already happened once, actually, if you count dear old Dad taking his powers away this season — he was too trusting.)
it’s about time heroes went full cirlce with this show!! we all know about episode 20, and every one that is shocked that sylar is now nathan is a moron. it only took 4 seasons to get were we are now, and i’m frankly relived. it seems they took some characters away just to get to the main plots like sylar, nathan,hrg etc, so when the day came when episode 20 actually makes sense,we finally understood what i truely ment, but now the plot of sylar/nathan is going to move slower. to balence this out they need to bring more actiony characters to balence out the mysterious plot line with less action, just a personal perdiction
If Hiro regains his full power would he be able to travel back in time and “undo” the death of Nathan in order to undo a possible outcome of Sylar becomming the most powerful man on the planet (arguably, as the President). Assuming Sylar regains his memories, has all his powers, and doesn’t change to the good side 100%, wouldn’t that be the only way for the good guys to deal with him? Thus the “real” Nathan still being alive in an alternative present time?
umm votex sorry but i think u have it wrong
th 3 sisters ARE’NT nikki, jessica and tracy.
the triplets are nikki, tracy and barbara.
Jessica was nikki’s non biological sister as nikki, along with the rest of the triplets were split up and adopted.
that ice girl is obviously still tracy.
what i want to know is how does dr zimmerman currently still know barbra, remember he had a photo of her on the table thing, and thought that tracy was barbra at first…
i real enjoy read your comments about heroes keep it up.
I think Matt will remind Nathan that he is Sylar out of guilt.
Angela and HRG will try to black mail matt into doing what they ask.
I think Tracy and Nathan’s paths will cross but i think Nathan will tap into his sylar side when they do.
It will be cool and weird to see Sylar’s hunger appear in Nathan causing him to have the uncontrolable desire for other’s powers.
i thnk sadly with some certainly that whether sylar realises who is really is or not, we wont see much of zachary quinto next season. what with shapeshifting and all, he will stay as nathan in disguise pertending to still think he is nathan.
i liked th actor
Ok. i’ve read all your coments and seeing where you all can get confused on. let me clear something up for you all. Peter does not have all his powers back thats for sure. how he gained the ability to shapeshift is beyond me. here’s what i mean. peter cannot obsorb any new powers his future self has because the only power futre peter and present peter has is mimicry. when he came in contact with himself all he could feel was that same power he had. same thing with sylar. sylar and peter are almost alike. sylar can copy someones powers with out looking at their brain( for sum reason he just love to be brutal i guess) where i’m getting with this is that if peter tried to copy sylars powers it would only be the power that sylar originally had and that is to know how things work. if he indeed copy sylar ia powers then he would have to start from scratch gathering up powers. and to prove that he don’t have his powers back at the very end of volume 4 when they were burning the fake slyar noticed that peter still had the bruises on his face from the previous fight with sylar.
gd point i didnt realise about the bruises, the easiest way for him to get his old power back was to use the ando-daphne ocmbo to go back in time. but now that daphne’s dead, time travel seems gone for good.
i have 1 last thing to say.
the day will come when toddler touch and go, a.k.a baby matt, can talk. can finally understand things. he can willingly turn on all of hero’s powers. hiro demise the risks of hurting himself, can travel back in time and either steal a formula injection, warn his past self….even fix peters new power.
baby matt is the key.
but is think that peter has his old power. this new one will evolve into his old similar one when he gets back to people, maybe invisible guy claude will help him on his way.
@alexx 07.13.09 at 9:22 am
I really hope we see Claude onscreen again, and soon.
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