Heroes Spoilers: Season 4 Plot and Details

I got first Comment and I can’t wait for this new season it looks and sounds great. So any new info on Hiro and Ando?

I knew she was back but wow! And Nathan/Sylar!!!

Ive been trying to manipulate fire………. it aint happening :/

So do you think that what matt did to sylar is the start of him revealing more of is dark side?

Whats up with the fat cop from season 1 being the most powerful character in the show?

Season 4 iz gana be awesome but so iz new moon but i still luv heroes way more

Looking forward to the new season….season 3 was pretty good though.

Omigosh!!! I so wanna see season 4 right NOW! Or at least a promo- Heroes begins filming on June 8th (according to James Kyson Lee’s twitter- if thats how you spell his name lol) so I hope they’ll be releasing a promo soon!

hopefully this season they’ll stop being so character driven and get back to what made this show so good and intriguing…. the abilities. in s1 the focus was on the abilities and all this mystery surrounding the entire season. if they can get back to that this show will be aight.

Looks like we won’t be seeing much of Zachary Quinto in Season 4 , not suprising what with the release of Star Trek. Does anyone know how the filming overlapped?

How are they going to pull of the Nathan/Sylar thing? As soon as he figures out he can’t fly, he’ll figure out he’s not Nathan… Nathan Petrelli was such a good character, sad to see him go. Funny that Adrian Pasdar will be getting all the face time with the camera anyway.

@ Burlism101……. OMG..! I LOVE MATT PARKMAN-that’s the charachter you so rudely refered to as “THE FAT COP FROM S1″..He is awesome. He COULD be one of the most powerful charachters, but I dont think he sees himself like that. But he is DEFINATELY not “FAT” he is thick..sexy…gorgeous! But think about it, he can control anything that the mind can control. So that would pretty much make you more powerful than just about anyone else…that’s if you believed in yourself, and worked with your power. Ok, just had to stick up for my baby-daddy…Matt.

@JIG…FOR SURE!! We seem to share the same opinions..! So I have heard on many sites that S4 is going to show Matt’s “DARKER SIDE” what are your thoughts on that?? I think that this whole Nylar thing is going to mess with Matt’s emotions A LOT!! I think he’s goign to have a lot of inner wars going on over this. That’s what happens when you actually have a conscience!

Yeah I agree. So what do you think is the final straw that drives Claire towards the dark side? If she is still even heading down that path that we saw her on in the future? I would think that finding out that your grandmother & father have been hiding the fact that your bio-dad is actually the man you hate the most in the entire world, would have to do a little something to your emotions, and trust issues..? What da ya think? I wish we could get some new info, or new spoilers…we are running out of things to discuss…someone HELP…HEELLLLPPPPP! WE NEED NEW SSSSSSSPPPPPPPPPOOOIIILLLERRRRSS!!!!!!!!

hell yeah, claire will hate her dad, again. its getting a little repetitive claire hating and not trusting her dad. i think they should do something new and interesting with her. maybe, once nathan finds out who he really is, sylar will take revenge on matt parkman, gain his power by killing him, and use his new ability to get clair to love him!!! (we remember what sylar discussed with claire at the end of volume 4) and then this will bring in a whole new story of hate and revenge for Noah Bennet!! its brilliant!! a little far-fetched though

it does, but that also sounds a little far fetched for heroes. also, you have to remember, via the heroes actions in volume 3, that future has been re-written, as has the future we saw in the first series. we havent seen the future as it currently is, because the heroes have changed it since anyone last went into the future. so i think its high time the writers stopped fooling around, and give Hiro back his full ability, so he can misuse it again.

@ JIG: I 100% agree with you ^_^ Hiro, please get your ability back so we can watch you and Peter mess with time again. The show’s just boring without that timetravel element (and I hate to admit it, because Heroes really is a great show)

And as for the Sylar/Claire theory, that does seem too farfetched for the show. I’d prefer if Claire just starts trusting Nathan more now that he’s Sylar than when he was Nathan. That would be a very interesting and twisted turn of events – but knowing the writers, and how they like the “Nobody really ever changes” idea so much, I highly doubt even that will happen :\

All I can hope is that they decide to let Sylar change this volume, because, frankly, we’ve seen Sylar be the villain in the end of EVERY volume so far. It’s just gotten too repetitive. :\ And I love Sylar – he’s my favorite character. But I’m just tired of seeing him as the only real villain in the show. (Which is one reason I still can’t stand that they killed Adam :\ )

I like to see Sylar as the villain, but I agree it’s getting old to see the same thing every season! I have also heard about the “NEW VILLAIN” cant wait to see that. So I have to stick to my theory, that Sylar is turning good. I believe that about 97% of S4 is going to be Sylar as Nathan…but I think at the end it’s going to show Nylar figuring out what’s really going on, and then somehow…it will show him eventually turning into Gabriel. I’m not sure exactly the order of things, or the details, but TRUST ME….some of my “FAR FETCHED” theorys will be coming true in S4 & S5…watch n c!

I have this feeling (and hope) that in his quest to “save the world one person at a time”, Peter will attend some really ill dude plugged on an oxygen pump…

Please!

i miss sylar already

well yeah there is that, and the fact that they started shooting today so zachary is probably with the cast, cause he’s fully finished with star trek now. unless im misinformed

hell yeah!!!!!!!!!! aint no time like go time!!!!

so give me some ideas that you think is going to happen this season….or have ya heard any juiciness???? I’m feinin’ for some HEROES

yeah, well, he’s dealt with now. ive just realised, the top of his head was off when he died by sylars hand. does that mean sylar has his “create pure gold out of metal” ability?
and im just going to speculate that their will be more fight scenes throughout the series, the writers were critisized for not showing the fight scene at the end of volume 4. so, we can hope

They did have a relationship together, remember? and he ends up hating her and killing her because she played him like a violin, lol

nope, i think i said this yesterday, the heroes have changed the future. there is no current future storyline, because of the heroes actions in the third volume.
which is why i also said, i want the writers to stop messing around and give hiro all of his ability back.

no, he wont be because, he lost that ability when his dad took all the rest of his abilities. so thats that theory blown out of the water

JIG,

didn’t say Peter has EM once, but his power can still evolve. Peter seems to be a lesser version of Arthur, who knows what he’s capable of yet and what touching Sylar has done to him

This is HEROES we’re talking about, we’ll see what happens. I know he got Shapeshifting only, which shows Peter has begun to master his new power by touching a multi-powered person and strategically take one ability. I hope that Peter may be able to master his new ability to the point he can retain/recall past powers, but now has to touch instead of absorb. Damn, we have to wait ’til September?

@peter iz hot

if you were paying attention to the end of volume 3 angela was lying about sylar being her son so no sylar is not claires uncle

i agree his powers has always been effected by his love

And in the future his mom helped him get his memory back, and that was due to his/her love….aw…Peter’s such a lova’

Well maybe…but hopefully he will use his hate like he uses his love. I think it’s just his empathy in general that helps him. I think he is going to be more mad at his mom, HRG, & Matt than he is at anyone else…of course he hates Sylar, but DAMN….you SHOULD be able to trust your mom more than anyone. Talk about someone who needs millions in therapy!!!! :p

It’s too bad Peter doesn’t have his old power because this season, he might get EVERY power, being “brothers” with Sylar, and possibly, as someone suggested, taking care of his dad.

They sort of already played around with Peter’s quest for power in season 3, when he takes Sylar’s ability…then again, he could take Sylar’s ability.

Now that the show is on hulu, it might get even more fans. I think Season 5 will be totally plausible. can’t wait for season 4!!!

@ Gotay I forget…. how did SYlar’s dad steal others powers?

but hell yeah!!!! bring back claude!!! his character was amazing, and christopher eccleson is definately amazing!!!!!!!!!

@JIG 06.11.09 at 1:26 pm

Claude needs to return. If Chris is unable to be onscreen, if they could have a few Claude-centric GN’s that would be nice. Especially if they can get Jason Badower to do the art and Oliver Grigsby to do the writing.

WHoooo-hoooooooooooooooo…!!!!!!!! 9/07/09

just wish peter wud get his old powers back..feels like they are ruining his character

@sk74, well, just like everything it depends on the eye of the beholder. Me personally, Peter’s abilities from picking them up via empathy, to Claude training him, to him being unstable, to him learing how to use them and seeing a bit of a dark side to Peter is what reeled me in! Also, Hiro’s character, the great storylines of everyone and of course Sylar. I won’t mind if Peter doesn’t get EM back, but I hope the core of his abilities are the same where he still is a storage bank and has to acquire them by touch like Arthur. I liked Season 1/2 Peter a lot seeing him fight Sylar in Mohinder’s apt, future PEter/Hiro coming through showing off, the last fight in Season 1, etc,…I won’t lie, I believe in hindsight Peter needed to lose his powers for a little while because he started to do down a dark path after learning Sylar’s ability to the point he was ready to cut his own Mother’s head open! LOL I think he’s definitely learned real life lessons being normal for awhile and having less ability than he ever had…

@ gotay78
I have to agree with you in part, I think Peter’s journey in S1 reeled a lot of people in – me included! But the way I see it, Peter was THE main character of S1… and him being the ultimate Hero AND the biggest threat (the bomb) was what made him so interesting to watch. But he can’t be the main focus of every season, and if he kept his EM or was able to bank multiple abilities to the extent that he did before, he would continue being the main focus (i.e. too much power, so he becomes a threat/ solves all problems everytime/ has to be neutered, etc). You can’t have a character like that and then either NOT use him or UNDERUSE him. Peter with so much power would work in a program that is SPECIFICALLY about him (and therefore HIS Hero’s Journey) or in a movie… not in a series about DIFFERENT humans with superhuman abilities (well, that’s my opinion anyway).

Sylar, on the other hand CAN work as the overpowered villain in a series… because then it requires our Heroes to fight against the odds, against a foe that is much stronger and seemingly unstoppable. Which is what being a hero is about, isn’t it? And I don’t agree with the notion that Peter needs to be at Sylar’s power level to be a worthy opponent… that doesn’t make Peter a hero, just the best character to match Sylar in terms of power.

But after all that, I have to agree, S1 did have some kickass moments! (FYG: “Shall we stop time?” “Nah, I haven’t had a good fight in ages!” The way they were suddenly just THERE at the desk in front of the guards… classic! 8) )

this is what I want for volume 5:

- hiro to try and recreate the formula to get his powers back. Ando doesnt like this…remember that future where ando ‘killed him’…not that i want hiro killed.
- peter to use cut of the top of his head and use his new ‘understanding power’ to understand his old absorbing power and therefore have it back as well as the hunger from the understanding power.
- sylar to brake free of matt parcman’s ’spell’ on him.
- something about the mysterious barbarbra.
- and it would be cool if we found out that Mory Parcman faked his death which would have been possible considering his power.

look i know that we cant get what we want from a series but hiro and peter were both messed up and they were such brilliant characters. The volume villains ended with scarcely any villains alive. We saw sylar go from bad to good to bad to good/bad to bad…not to mention daphne appering to die, revealed to be alive, and then killed again.

also claire could use her blood to bring every dead character in the entire series back to life…possibly even adam monroe if his ashes are somewhere…

thanks for reading and PLEASE COMMENT!

@ alexx
dude, how many times must i repeat this!!! peter doesnt have sylars intuitive aptitude!!!!! (his “understanding ability”). he lost his abilities in volume 3 to his dad!!! the only ability peter currently has, so far as we know for sure, is his mimicry, and through that, shapeshifting, which he absorbed off sylar.

@JIG

If Peter regained IA, do you think he has to relearn? Don’t mean to beat a dead horse but, before you’re quick to yell “he doesn’t have it” , I noticed something weird in the season finale. When Claire came and found Peter knocked out in the suite, did you notice the way Peter looked out the window as if he was trying to understand? The same type of look he gave Noah, when he asked Peter: “did you take his power?” He had no problem using Shapeshifting for the first time, how did he figure it out? did Noak know about James ability? or was it he got more of Sylar’s abilities? or is Peter capable of extracting any ability of choice? hurry up September!!!

@JIG

your condescending, know-it-all style is really annoying, In actuality, no one knows whats in store yet and for you to act so the way you do is completely uncalled for. If you can find any of the truth in writing, let me know. Until then, myself and others can hypothesize all we want. Get over it? please

OMG!! I am freaking out!! Not only because I have to wait until September until I can watch the greatest TV show ever again, but also because there’s that slight, but totally terrifing chance that the writeres might go insane and decided to kill off Hiro!! Don’t say I couldn’t happen. Who know what these writers will do. They killed Nathan, after all, so nothing’s out of the question for them.

On a side note, has anyone seen the new Star Trek? Zachary Quinto as Spock? Great choice! Best Movie ever!!

@sk74, I understand your concern about the super-powered Villian/Hero and that it’s not needed, but I believe it is! If you go back to season 1 and even leading up to this future, Peter IS supposed to be the strongest character and the one who saves the world since this is what Future Hiro told him. Also, this why the Haitan has been such an essential part of the show because he alone doesn’t allow any one character to be that powerful since he can neutralize their abilities. What you never see that’s annoying is seeing a character actually using their abilities vs. Sylar to get away or escape…I know he’s powerful, but that shouldn’t mean he can’t be affected by other abilities..it’s one thing to not be able to die, but to not even be able to be incapicated when even Claire can and it’s her power is kind of lame….that’s why I hated the moving the “sweet spot” idea they used because I called they would do it before the episode even came on like a Shaw Brothers Karate flik…As far as Chandra Suresh’s memory, it was obviously wiped and he wouldn’t see any reports at Coyote Sands if he doesn’t even remember Coyote Sands existed! That brutal massacre was the last day of Coyote Sands so no one went back there since Angela took everyone there that day…Plus, they confirmed to have multiple episodes going back to the past and focusing on that group who formed the company so I’m sure they’ll fit it in…they know the flaws like we do so I expect to it see some reference next Season..

EVERYONE was Pissed when they were using the CLAIRE BLOOD last season! So that is probably why they didnt use it…or maybe there is another reason? WHO KNOWS. We are not the writers, and until one of them logs onto this site, all we have is our THEORIES! So, I’m not sure that we will ever get answers…or we may get them this coming season.. But you would think that Angela would want to use Claires blood, since she OBVIOUSLY knows what would happen…so there must be some hidden reason why she didnt, unless the writers are just worried aobut loosing fans.

@ gotay78
Yes, Future Hiro told Peter he was the strongest and that he could save the world (”be the one we need, etc”)… but remember, Future Hiro wasn’t aware that Peter was actually the bomb! Everyone in that future believed that Sylar was the bomb coz of what Nathan told the world (in order to protect his brother, presumably feeling guilty for allowing him to explode in the city – in THAT future).

Hiro had made it his mission to try to avert the disaster from when he first travelled to the future – to the day of the explosion – and witnessed it happen, and even after it had occurred in the FYG timeline, he dedicated his life to finding a way to change what had happened – which is why Future Hiro came back, right? So this throws up the ultimate question: If Future Hiro knew that The Strongest Hero was also The Unstable Bomb, would he have still come back to speak to Peter (and what would the conversation have been about instead)… or to kill him?

As for Sylar, I agree with you about seemingly nobody being able to escape or best him, but sadly we have to remember that coz of his Understanding ability he will always be at a distinct advantage when it comes to mastery of powers, so he will always be a very formidable opponent. He can be defeated tho, and that is in part because of this very power… Thinking that you understand everything can make you kinda cocky and egotistical, too sure of yourself and therefore prone to making mistakes… as we saw when Peter outsmarted Sylar and tranq’ed him. Humans aren’t always predictable, so Sylar will never be able to fully understand the complex system of human nature – in other words, he has to be tricked. Not all battles are won with fists and weapons (read ‘powers’).

I actually don’t mind the moving of the sweet spot, though. I mean, since Sylar got the power to heal, how many times has we seen something being put thru the back of Sylar’s head? (And for some reason, I’m including the image of the shapeshifter in the bodybag, coz he was in Sylar’s form haha!) Since he has been the main villain, everyone would always be looking to stab/ shoot him in the back of the head all the time… this to me could get as repetitive as Mohinder “The Prisoner” Suresh getting captured… AGAIN lol! At least they moved the spot in a plausible way (’shifting), and it does give his character a different and unique dimension from Claire, the same way that evolving her character to not feel pain sets her apart from Adam. Plus, Sylar is a smart and wily character… after putting a bullet through Arthur’s brain, getting stabbed in the head and regaining conciousness in a fire (hmmm…), and working with someone like Danko who you KNOW is gonna aim for that very same spot WHEN (not if) he decides you’ve outlived your usefulness, why would he NOT move it if he got the chance? He’d be stupid not to. In fact, I’d bet money on it that this is why he took such a risk teaming up with Danko in the first place, coz they were after the shapeshifter… I reckon there might have been files on the computer that Sylar took from Danko’s men (when he rescued Luke) – enough to make him think “I NEED that power!”

Like he said to Luke in the diner not long before, “Always have a plan. Don’t even lift a finger until you know your endgame.” Or something like that. Ultimately moving his only weakspot, thus making himself virtually indestructible, seems like a very Sylar-like plan and goal to me.

@SK74, very good analysis, but the one thing I think more than anything made him want that power was his talk with Samson Gray…he basically in a nutshell asked Samson what he would do could he turn young and do it over before showing he was playing possum to the Siren’s Song Samson used to put him to sleep…that AGAIN was a very disappointing scene to see me because they could’ve given Sylar the break there if they wanted and allowed Samson Gray to become the villian with a number of different abilities than Sylar…that way you don’t really lose Sylar and can bring him back…I’m very interested in the Samson Gray character and hate when they introduce really good characters and than we don’t see them again…we definitely should be seeing again Claude, Monica and the Haitan….Claude is pivotal to Peter’s understanding/training of his abilities, Monica is essential to Micah’s safety with her abilities and her’s were awesome not to mention and the Haitan as the Power Balancing character and needing to be part of the company again…I also think it would be nice if they brought Claude back as an Agent in the company…there are so many ways to spin the plotholes so I’m sure they will do a good job, I just don’t want to see good characters put to waste or killed off in a GN like they did to Flint, Blue Flame…

matt parcman could have forced sylar to TELL HIM where the ’sweet spot’ is.

is anyone contemplating why sylar was living in claires house with mr muggles as an appearingly single father in that future?

@ alexx526
That’s true about Parkman. He could have found that out as a safety measure, at least… But then again, who says that he didn’t get a glimpse of that info when he was wiping Sylar’s mind? Guess we’ll have to wait to find out.

And Sylar in Claire’s house etc… that always was a bit of a puzzle, since it was implied that Elle might have been the mother (that’s what they wanted us to think, anyway). And it didn’t seem like Claire would have been Lil’ Noah’s mother coz of the way she acted in that whole scene at the house… but then again, she couldn’t feel pain and had changed as a result, becoming much more colder and sadistic – a killer. Maybe she didn’t care about her own son either? Plus naming the kid Noah might be so obvious that it’s true? If it walks like a duck…

@Alex….Man I have gone over & over that entire episode in my head SO MANY TIMES it’s not funny! I’ve talked to a lot of people in here about it also, and I am wondering the same thing as you. MY opinion WAS that it was Elle’s baby. BUT then he killed her, so that put a damper in that idea! But, we all know how this show is, MAYBE she’s not dead? Ya know that is one of the few people that Sylar actually “loved” so maybe he started to kill her, then couldnt follow thru, and locked her up somewhere? Or maybe he thought she was dead, and when he left she actually wasnt dead, and someone came upon her, and took care of her? Plus that was Hiro that took them to that island, so maybe he came back and took her away somewhere safe, wasnt that when Hiro was “a kid” so maybe he took her somewhere safe, and doesnt even remember doing it? WHO KNOWS. But I’m not buying the thing where it’s Claire’s son, and she just didnt care. She has enough feeling & lvoe to FIGHT FOR THE WORLD, to rid the world of people like Sylar, but she cares so little for her son that she basically kills him? NO… At least I hope not.
But I think it is obvious that the boy was named after Noah/HRG. So maybe it is Claires child? EWWW… I just thought about something, Sylar is actualy Nathan now, so if it IS CLaires child, that would mean that she got pregnate by her father??! OMG! YUK! And for awhile they thought that Sylar was her UNCLE…OMG, I’m starting to get a headache! Oh,,,, PS… this end piece is just sillyness… no one needs to yell at me and tell me that Sylar is NOT CLAIRES UNCLE… I KNOW!

@ Karinboutheroes
Hey, just thought I’d point out the fact that Sylar poured something over Elle and set fire to her body after he sliced her head… and apparently Kristen Bell (I think that’s the actress’ name) has confirmed that she won’t be returning. So I doubt we’ll see Elle again in the present (maybe flashbacks).

Also, even if she did return, do you really think she’d still hook up with Sylar… And have his baby? Well, I suppose she was sick enough to get with him after he killed her dad (and taunted her with his power!), but now that he has sliced and cooked her like a doner kebab is she still CRAZY… about him? Watch out Sylar lol!

Seriously though… The thing about Claire not caring: remember we are talking about a future that WAS destined to happen, where FutureClaire was a cold-blooded killer, and FuturePeter was seen as a terrorist. FC was working for Pinehearst. She killed FP and eventually captured PresentPeter… and started to carve him up for the deaths of the people in Costa Verde (even tho it was ‘Gabriel’ who exploded) – a cut for each death. We’re talking about her Uncle here! Depending on the circumstances surrounding their possible relationship, would it be so hard to imagine that somehow Claire and Gabriel/ Sylar WOULD HAVE got together (especially after their chat in Invisible Thread) in THAT particular future and had a son? And that Gabriel ended up as the ‘more responsible parent’ since Claire couldn’t feel anything – like pain (physical and emotional), or love for anyone? She did say “You took everything from me”, or something like that – wasn’t that directed at Gabriel? He had her house, her dog… and her son, maybe – named after HRG? We know he took her power too.

And notice that Mr. Muggles didn’t seem too bothered by Gabriel, like he was ‘one of the family’

It’s present Claire that still has the love etc to fight for what’s right (thanks to Peter warning her that she was turning into a killer, and she needs to stay innocent), but not the FutureClaire that we saw in that house with Lil’ Noah.

the problem with claire being little Noah’s mum is that in that future sylar thought that he was peters brother and therefore claires uncle…unless he knew they were’nt really brothers but called him his brother as he still had nathans memories in him…i dunno. but because of that, i doubt claire was the mother. i bet we still have to meet her…but honestly it should have been elle as it all fitted, then she could have got killed which would have explained why she wasnt in that future but no…the writers had to make sylar kill her for absolutly no reason! he already knew that she had made him into what he was…so why did he all of a sudden go and KILL HER!

i just dont get it. Redemption volume should be about sylar coming back and trying to access the abilities that he loss by the shanti virus.

btw a big question. Who was it that sent candice/ michelle into the woods with sylar to inject him with the shanti virus and help him recoved from the sword wound. they NEVER explained that?????? if angela had of been his real mother then it would have made sence for it to be her? i doubt it was bob who was head of the company at the time…???? candice was definetly following orders on the phone….
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@ alexx526
“the problem with claire being little Noah’s mum is that in that future sylar thought that he was peters brother and therefore claires uncle…”

Very good point, I completely forgot about that in all the confusion… DOH!
Blame it on the timelines.

And I think Karinboutheroes has hit the nail on the head, there… Bob was running the company at the time, and only they had the various strains of the Shanti Virus at their disposal – which is what Sylar was injected with to depower him. I think it was a control thing… We’ve seen both Angela and Arthur try to use him as a ‘walking weapon’.
Also, maybe as a guinea pig? Bob wanted Mohinder to take away Monica’s Copycat ability (more confirmation that he would have given the orders), but I’m not sure if it was to test a new strain of the virus as well.

I like your idea about Sylar shapeshifting into Claire’s ex-but when he shapeshifts, does he take that persons’ DNA also? So that would mean that if that happened…that would not be Sylar’s child, but the person who he shifted into.? Right? WHOO…makes me dizzy!

I’m positive we should just forget that future where Sylar had a baby. That future is now changed. For instance, Nathan, who’s supposed to be Claire’s employer, is dead. Whereas Present Peter is supposed to cut his head open then teleport back to his time and beat the crap out of Sylar.

This timeline is broken.

@eddie
It goes without saying that Tracy is still alive. As farfetched as it might seem, she/ her power evolved, which is why she’s still around… but we knew that from her ‘wink’, right?

@ F.D. and Karin…
You are both right, in a way. All the futures as we saw them have changed and no longer will happen in exactly that way, but obviously some events that we saw in each future can (or are still destined to) happen, as we can see with the current state of affairs: Sylar is ‘impersonating’ Nathan, who is dead by his hand (pun not intended, but it fits perfectly), Nathan DID turn against his own kind first, Sy finally got Claire’s power, Ando has red lightning… just to name a few more obvious ones.

It looks like the timeline has been messed up but is on some kind of ‘course correction’ back towards the original FYG timeline, but obviously there have been changes made along the way, so things won’t happen exactly as they would have in the untampered timeline(s). I think this is what people forget. I think it’s obvious, tho, that the writers are gonna draw on the best elements that can work together from each possible-future timeline an merge them into the current timeline as the future unfolds (e.g. no Dark Claire or Pinehearst in FYG, but there was in Fugitives – Exposed Future – so, we might get our current timeline’s Claire developing a darker side, but for a completely different reason. Sylar – we will see him again as himself im sure – might have a son in the future, but with a new blonde character! Or maybe even with Claire, since he now knows they ain’t related – but first he has to stop thinking he’s Nathan, of course lol!)

Just sayin, to anyone out there who’s confused about the whole “in the future THIS is supposed to happen”, or “THAT future isn’t possible now” debate: IMO some events WILL definitely happen, some events will happen differently, some events won’t happen at all, and some events are not possible any more. That should have clarified everything now, lol!

Here’s the deal with the “Claire is little boy’s mom” thing: Was she Noah’s mom in the future timeline?

If so, how could she let Sylar take him from her and raise him ? Why didn’t she stop Knox from hurting him or seem to care at all about the kid’s fate ?

If she was not her mom (ex: it was Elle) then writers are just replacing a mom by another one which is kind of senseless if you ask me. Just for the sake of giving Sylar a child at some point to be relatively close to a hinted (bug changed) future ?

Here are some more hypothesis if you guys really want Sylar to have a kid in the future:

- Little Noah could actually be Matt Jr kidnapped by Sylar then raised by him. We cannot even be sure at this point that it was his biological son… He could’ve touch n go’d his intuitive aptitude and/or his hunger, although he hinted he could overcome it himself.

- The kid could be “Nathan’s” 3rd son, presume “he” got back with “his” wife. Noah does call Peter “uncle Pete”. However, the real Nathan is still alive at this point…so it is safe to assume they gave him that line just to make us keep believing Sylar was actually a Petrelli.

There are so many possibilities I’m willing to witness before having Claire birth Sylar a kid… that one just doesn’t stick as far as I’m concerned.

OK TO SET SOMETHING STRAIGHT.

If sylar considered peter to bee his brother in that future only out of habit or because at some point in that future he had acquired nathans memoried, then yes his child could be claires. But this seems sooo unlikely and the fact that claire didnt pay the child one bit of attension…unless she’s been haitened leads me to believe that that child noah was named after claires father noah, but was not actually claire’s child. Claire tells sylar that he took everything from her? well he has her house and dog and presumably her parents are dead as mrs bennet would not live without mr muggles and noah would never let claire be how she is.

child noah really being matt junior? he could have switched off sylars hunger long ago if that was the case, he could have switched off knox’s power too! Unless big matt made him forget about his power…or of course he could have been haitened.

There are many ways to kill sylar, have matt parcman force him to say where his weak spot it, have baby matt turn of sylars power n then kill him. inject him with the shanti virus though that may not still be around n could cause more problems then it would solve. keep him on the power not working drug and throw him into a volcano / teleport him there with that webisode girl.

sylar is far from indestructable and i believe that even the haiten could take him on and shoot him…just not him AND arther at THE SAME TIME. what even happened to the haiten.

also if they mix someone who had the formula injected in them’s blood with mohinder’s origional formula, you may get the calayste and formula together to recreate it…it was introduced for too short a time, it should have been a WHOLE season.

what do u think?

Oh, and of course if the changes DON’T run that deep, imagine Claire’s horror… finding out that baby has SylarDNA instead of West’s…

@ Shadowsign
Don’t know if you actually read any of the other comments above, but my mentioning of ‘West’ and ‘Claire’s horror’ and everything was just for the purposes of the example scenario I was talking about, in response to Karinboutheroes’ question. Completely hypothetical, so relax, I ain’t saying that Claire will hook up with West or anything.

OMG I JUST REALISED SOMETHING!!!

PLOT HOLE ALERT!

because peter went back in time he changed the future so that sylar took claires power, invaded level 5, got captured and manipulated into believing that he was angela’s son! however that never happened in the place that future peter came from! so how could sylar believe them to be brrothers!

@ alexx
“i mean there is no evidence to suggest that SHE is His childs father”

…?
Try again – third time lucky lol! Don’t worry, we know what you mean!

As for your ‘PLOT HOLE ALERT!’ I’m gonna have a stab at answering that… I thought it was a bit strange that FuturePeter ’stepped on all those butterflies’ and the future still seemed to be exactly the same as the one he left.

But to answer that AND your question… FP coming to the current timeline and ‘messing it up’ was the reason for that future, anyway. For Claire to become so cold and unfeeling, Sylar would have had to get to her, for that to happen FP would have had to come back and tell her to stay at home. That’s why she was a killer in the future and about to shoot him. (”what happened to you to make you like this Claire?”… “I’m different, remember? Special.” That’s what Sylar told her when he was poking around in her brain, so FP jumping back in time to cause that event (and others) just closed the loop. Remember, Angela said “the only future i’ve seen is the one YOU have caused”, to FP. It was SUPPOSED to happen. Classic chicken-and-the-egg dilemma.

The interesting question I’m pondering is… what would have happened if FC had succeeded in killing FP before he jumped back and caused the events that turned her into a killer?

No-one would have shot Nathan – so the existence of Specials would have been revealed. BUT… then Claire would have not been in the house, Sylar wouldn’t have got her power (at least not then, anyway), she would still be able to feel pain, might not turn into the killer in the future, and therefore wouldn’t have been so determined to kill Peter! So FP would have come to the past to shoot Nathan and stop the Exposed Future, Sylar would have got to Claire… PARADOX!!!

So, basically, the only way it all makes sense is if events happened exactly as we saw them.

Phew! Is there a neurosurgeon in the house?

Tarot beat me to it about West being part of REBEL in the GN’s and is was part of the team that saved Micah….also, “Aquaboy” was a horrible character if you ask me and at least West has much better screen presence….that kid was useless and I’d rather see Luke back as a villian microwaving someone’s face off! LOL if you think about it, people are right that FP really changed nothing when he came back as Angela said…for one, he caused Sylar to get that healing ability much earlier than he would’ve and even with shooting Nathan, in the end he still ended up outting them to the Gov’t and having them on the run for their lives…Another character I never hear anyone seem to miss and I thought they killed him off so cheaply was D.L. ! His transparent ability was cool as h*ll and it’s sad when you think about it they killed off both Micah’s parents and he was living by himself in their old home…I’m glad they made him relevant because I was pissed in the 1st half of S3 when they showed him briefly and I thought they forgot about him…I told my buddies all season long that REBEL had to be Micah because it was the only logical possibility to inform them when the Gov’t was on their trail…

Okay, just read through what seemed like utter babble from most people, mainly being – gotay78 and JIG, though you both made some valid points, gotay78 espeically, there were some flaws in your understanding of the show.
There are two things I want to clear here (just have a read through).

1) Sylar, never had to remove the tops of peoples heads to gain abillities. Don’t you guys remember him NOT killing Ell in the cell when he took her abillity?. She tried to teach him that he didn’t have to be a “monster”.
2) (This is my main point) You all, of course, remember the season 3 finale, Peter and Nathan enter the room, doors close, blue lights flash, Nathan dies. Okay, well the next time you see Peter after that “fight scene”, is he not cut up? and does he not have blood covering him? -Answer- Yes he does.
Well, he then shapshifts into the president, to catch sylar off gaurd, is he cut up as the president? Nope, is he still cut up even when he changes back? Nope, this shows clear signs that he did infact get Claires healing powers back from sylar (which Sylar took). You’re all probably thinking “NO! WRONG” well guess again, when Sylar transformed into different bodies, he couldn’t change how is insides where, hence why he only moved that “point of death” the immortals had on their backs of heads, this means without Peter having the abillity to heal, he could only “move” the damage he recieved from the battle with Sylar at the end, which is highly unlikey, since he still would have been in pain, “Bet you didn’t think I had taken this one too did you”… You all seemed to miss vital parts of this series.

So, in conclusion to acutal facts from the series, Peter does now have ALL of Sylars powers.

As for season 4, this gives valid reason for Claude to return (I had heard talks about this, not sure if it is true or not). He will return to help Peter regain his powers, and like Ell did with Sylar, teach him that there is a way to use it without cutting of the forheads of others.
“What about the hunger!” I can hear you saying, again, that goes back to Ell, and also Sylar’s father. He chose not to kill them both, but Sylar being Sylar was really messed up as it was, it wasn’t really “the hunger” that made him kill, it was the fact that regardless of what he thought, he liked who he had become (watch the season over if you don’t understand that) hence why he did infact kill Ell.

Again though, I am, like you, open to discussion about this, so share you thoughts with me.

Sk74 thankyou you’ve just cleared up a major proble. Basicly Future Peter (FP) took Present peter to the future. HOWEVER, this future was the same one that Future peter left from. He fked up th timeline and so couldnt go back to his own propper future cuz he had changed the present. THIS FINALLY ANSWERS WHY PETER CANT SAVE CAITLin…although i suppose future peter could have corrected his mistake by going back in time AGAIN and killing the peter that shot nathan just after the shooting. Complicated huh?

still it would be nice if peter tried to save caitlin or AT LEAST mentioned the girl that he risked releacing the shanti virus for in season 2!

now i have 1 question for all u guys. WHY OH WHY did claire stop feeling pain? this caused her to become cold…wait a second…she was cold in future peter’s land where sylar hadnt addled with her brains! OMG SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT THIS???????????/

so therefore it couldnt have been sylar who caused her to stop feeling pain, just in the future the present peter was taken to, she believed that that was why…

PERSONALLY, i believe that it was her ability evolving. We have seen peter’s ability evolve so that he could use others power when they were’nt arround. Hiro stopping time with ando unfrozen…nikki using her power without jessica…dont even get me started on sylar, SO WHY NOT CLAIRE TOO? her power is rapid celluar regeneration. In additon her blood is extrememly useful – so useful in fact that she doesnt bother to use it to save her real father.

Anyway, one question, WHY DID CLAIRE STOP FEELING PAIN?
was it because she was close to the eclipse which would explain elle’s mental breakdown???
THANKS.

good points. I was one of the MAIN people here pushing the ‘claire is not noah’s mum’ case as u’ll see from above. However i also agreed that he may not be calling peter his brother biologically but perhaps for another reason so claire could still be child noah’s mum, but unlikely.

thanks for ur explanation about what sylar did to her brain BUT i have two major flaw with it.

- One: after the eclipse the whole no pain thing was over. Did her brain fix when she died and came back?

- Two: Elle was also really fked up around this time – like claire… this leads me to believe that the eclipse has affects on annnoying blonde characters who die at least once throughout the series. In other words i believe the eclipse was behind their powers faulting…they never really explained the whole deal with the eclipse…and it has an impact on synthetic abilities too? maybe there’s a ‘cure’ to abilities there???

if u cant think of any way to respond to this, then tell me why every time i watch a heroes episode, it annoys me that the shows fked up the two main characters (peter and hiro), then gave them back half or less of their power. and then rendered hiro dead if he uses his too much…

th next season better be about them getting their powers back….!!!

I just wanted to make a general comment, that being that if a precog painter or otherwise is needed they shouldn’t kill that character off. First we lost Isaac then Usutu. Then Matt gained the ability. Why didn’t they just keep Usutu around or have there be another painter who stayed alive if they absolutely had to have Arthur kill Usutu to show how dangerous Arthur was?

@ Tarot 06.21.09 at 6:29 pm
I guess Matt is now that ‘other painter’ who will stay alive? I can’t see them killing him off just yet. But I know exactly what you mean.

Ok, this is totally off the subject, but what happened to Maya? I mean, all I remember is thatshe got her powers removed, and she left. Then, during th eclipse episodes, Suresh went to see her agian, then the eclipse ended and he turned back into the scary bug thing, so he didn’t get to talk to her. But after he got drenched with the formula, the ’side effects’ dissapeared. Why didn’t he go see her then? Or did I miss something?

@ Tarot
True, I thought it was a bit off-key that Matt started to see future visions (and it did seem like they needed some excuse to have another precog painter since they kept killing the others, just to keep with the comicbook format of the show coz it worked so well before). But two things have made me begrudgingly accept Matt’s new expansion to his power:

1) Came across some website which had info on ‘paranormal’ abilities, mostly concerning mental abilities such as telepathy, TK, clairvoyance, clairsentience, precognition, etc. As I’m sure you are well aware, Tarot, all these abilities and much more are related – they are different aspects/ branches of psychic phenomena.

2) From season 2, when Matt’s ability started to evolve/ expand into pushing thoughts instead of merely reading them, Bob did say that “anything the brain controls, [Matt] can control”. Therefore setting up a scenario where Matt’s powers can evolve to incorporate any number of psychic abilities – including Precognition. The only part that I think is corny is that he has to express it through painting, especially as he couldn’t paint before! This is the only thing that kinda spoils it a bit for me, but I can accept that he can now access the future through his mind. Luckily Bob said this in S2, so it made sense and didn’t seem ‘cheap’ or convenient (to me) when he developed precog in S3. And of course, now he also has Mental Manipulation (similar to The Haitian’s power) as seen at the end of the season.

As long as they don’t make Matt TOO powerful he could develop many more aspects to his power (I hope he doesn’t develop TK tho, but I can see it happening at some point!) and it could still be plausible.

@ Tarot
Agreed, it was getting a bit predictable (pun not intended)!

Re: gotay78 vs Kaizer

Damn, this is better than any Peter vs Sylar fight that we’ll EVER see LOL!

gotay

HEY…HEY…HEY NOW!!!!!!!!!!! I was sticking up for ya’all…dont FORGET ME! I may be a “GIRL” but I got ya back! That’s how we roll in the Heroes Universe!

@Tarot..I’m right behind ya! I’m 32..! I would’ve never guessed it by your name tho! I dont know any girls who get into Heroes like I do..! Nice to meet ya sista!

@Kari/Tarot, I know you got my back, get ‘em girls! :<) LOL I know who the usuals posters are that debate like sk, Swm, F.D., JIG, Alexx, Karin, etc,…so I wasn’t sure what he/she was suggesting we babbled out and that were “misinformed”…we only try to analyze and make sense of the story where at times they’ve drifted off course for various reasons (writer’s strike, economy, casting conflicts, etc,..)..we all want to understand any loose ends that seem to be hanging in the balance that a GN/episode didn’t explain…nothing is perfect such as seeing even the Great George Lucas unable to even closely resemble the excitement of the 1st Star Wars trilogy with 100x more technology at his disposal…even the best have their down moments and the we all on here love HEROES otherwise we wouldn’t waste so much time discussing how to better the series…we may be just blowing hot air, but I can tell you for a fact that I’ve heard better ideas on here in certain instances than what the show actually produced and that’s not to say the writer’s don’t know what they’re doing, but at times you need a breath of fresh air…you’re gonna tell me that none of the writers thought it stupid Mohinder was captured/rescued every 2-3 eps in the 2nd half of last season without purpose??
Here’s something interesting I did find out about Sylar watching Season 1 again…when they capture him and bring him in for testing, the doctor says he can only find traces of his TK ability and nothing else and the fact Samson used a version of TK always leaves that question open I’ve heard on here before which is “what is Sylar’s true ability?”…we know they say it’s IA, but even the fact HRG knew it so well to me still leads me to believe it wasn’t his 1st time encountering IA, which I hope will show some blasts from the pasts of Samson next season…also, interesting to see if Peter/Nathan still will have the brotherly connection they’ve always had? Will Peter still see Nathan in his dreams and feel when he’s in trouble? I think it’s important because not only do they mention that a lot in Season 1, but the GN before the Season Finale also illustrated of him thinking about he/Nathan’s connection and how Nathan always pushed him to be greater…I think this will have an important part of next season is when Peter feels the connection is lost, which will be most likely when Sylar starts to regain control of his consciousness…hmmm, can’t wait and when the next GN guys?

@Alex, disagree about “empathy” being understanding….it’s TOTALLY different since he didn’t kill anyone with Empathy firstly to “know how it works” and it’s not the same as his original abilty Intuitive Aptitude…that’s the reason he COULDN’T understand the full capacity of the abilities he took from Elle or the shape shifting from James Martin, which is why he struggled to control it…you could as he had it longer, he learned to use it better like Peter would’ve…more importantly, Arthur said he would know how to use Empathy as if it was a trait passed down to him from the Petrelli family…the ONLY way to fix that is making some sort of reference to Samson Gray being related to the Petrelli’s or that he was given his ability and they know about it…

This is an interesting theory, what if like I’ve suggested previously they encountered Samson Gray before and knew about his IA…then the company got their hands on young Gabriel and injected him with more to see how many abilities he can take…the fact HRG was so knowledgeable about his power when they captured him makes you believe he’s been tested on repeatedly, which we do know since we’ve seen the flashbacks of Elle getting him jealous to rip people’s heads open and HRG saying that they’ve experimented on him before and he told him the Petrelli’s aren’t his real family…that’s what made him want to acquire the ability to see who’s lying or not…also, he has IA, but how was he able to “feel” people around him with abilities as he suggested in Season 1? I think many of his abilities were fed to him or injected and his memory erased repeatedly until he finally got free…I hope they tie up the loose ends, but we’ll see my fellow Heroes fanatics!

ok someone made a brilliant point about sylars power so precise that i am off to hiro’s wiki to check it out.

Here’s what i origionally thought:

- sylar has to power to understand how things work. The powers are shown in the brain which is why he rips peoples heads off and takes their powers by understanding how their brain works. It comes with a hunger to know more and have more. Also its given a really complicated name not jsut ‘understanding’

- hold on one sec while i check hiro’s wiki….
Intuitive aptitude is the ability to understand the structure and operation of complex systems without special education or training. However, it also compels the holder to understand as much as they can, resulting in a “hunger” which can manifest a need to understand, which often causes Sylar to kill other evolved humans and acquire their abilities. that is copied and pasted no copyright infringement i hope….

in short if u couldnjt be bothered to read that, sylar has the ability to understand how things work, exactly what i thought. it is like peters power in the way that he can take others powers except as shown with ted sprague’s power, sylar can understand and therefore control it more. however peter is better at taking others power. that is why they would be good in a fight against eachother. peter can take more, sylar can understand more….this is why they should have been brothers, yes the powers have different names, but sylar can understand peter. peter can absorb sylar…weird as that sounds.

therefore they pretty much have the same powers once they’ve sprend ten minutes in a locked room together. sylar understands peters absorbing and then they just absorb everything each other has…lol! the arther peter sylar triangle worked out for me, why they chose to get rid of it i dont know…

and yes I KNOW PETER DOESNT HAVE HIS ORIGIONAL POWER ANY MORE. It think about it nearly every time i come on here.

also for the sake of matt parkman’s future daughter with daphne who he shows no emotion about missing, along with future Noah Gray, someone needs to timetravel to the future if its stille ven possible as the future has changed and rescue them…

for all of you, once the future has changed can you get an old one back. The perfect example BY FAR! is could peter have rescued caitlin by going back, then forward, going back with her, and then forward again. cuz of arther taking his power and hiro’s i guess ww’ll never know….todler touch and go is the only hope now…touch time travel when he’s older…we have caitlin back..what a plot hole that he went to such extremes to save her and never even mentioned her again…I MEAN COME ON!

@Alex, I get what you mean and that’s why the Petrelli storyline involving him is still a plot hole until they fix it, which can be done…Sylar can understand abilities to their fullest which to me is why he was always stronger than Peter! Even without Claire’s ability, he cheated death constantly from being shot by Parkmann to falling off the ledge with Peter and walking away virtually unscathed with a slight limp….even for him to “understand” before the empathy BS, he had to look into the brain, which is exactly what he said when Brain Davis (the TK guy) 1st came and he bludgeoned him, that it’s all in the brain…I can’t wait for the DVD to see how Samson did it because I don’t think he used the brain, but the heart so that remains to be seen….

@gotay78 06.22.09 at 6:46 pm

I’m not sure about Peter having dreams NOW as he had originally copied that power from Angela and lost it when Arthur stole all his powers, but if he does start dreaming I’ll bet they will start nice and then become nightmares.

THIS POST IS ABOUT HIRO.

personally im not convinced that hiro had all of those different powers under the title ‘master of power and space. Here’s why. H can slow time down, speed it up, freeze time, time travel and teleport. wow thats a lot. but i dont think its like that.

he couldnt stop time completely with daphne who was super fast, although later on in the series to fake kill ando he did. I believe that his ‘time freezing’ is merely slowing time down by SO much that it seems like time freezing. This is why it didnt work on daphne who is soo fast. However the more Hiro concentrates the more he can slow down time. he concentrated like hell when he had to fake kill ando because it was really important. Therefore he slowed time down so much that even daphne was frozen.

when he time travels forewards he speeds time up mega fast in a second. when he goes to the past…well maybe when you go so fast u go backwards…??? i dunno but it fits.

as for the teleporting…i’m sure it could fit in my theory some where. but look hiro and peter were mega powerful with hiro full on in fugatives, he would have crushed building 26 in minutes.

am i right about hiro’s power being simpler?

Well peters story seems intresting, and so does claires but HRG new “company” not so sure about, like at the begining the companys were trying to help get answers and somehow everything went horribly wrong! maybe there r no answer hello! and its obvious what will happen with nathan/sylar, who will eventually im guessing the begining of the season find out he’s sylar. so theres no excitement there, i love sylar but bring on a challenge with his character! i fear this is the last season, though i love heroes very much no matter the tone of which my comment is written! im looking foward 2 the new season, but im pretty sure i will be disapointed with all nathan/sylar plots. should have never killed nathan. but as for new characters and peter being mr.hero im very excited!!!

@Gavino…good ideas! So Peter will come across a “man” with cancer…are you implying that will be Samson Gray? Eww..that would be a good one. If Peter still has Claire’s healing ability, or gets it back between now and then, that would mean that Samson would be able to take Peters/Claires healing… & then BOOM…we have a NEW VILLAIN! From what I understand, Samson doesnt have to kill to get an ability, is that right?
I disagree about turning Sylar good. I think it will take awhile, but I think that he is going to go down a long path to find the “Good Sylar”

You see, just what I mean last week….Sometimes we on here can visualize fantastic storylines and I never thought about Peter going back to being a nurse and running into Samson! Brilliant! That would be a fantastic way for them to cross paths and open up countless plots like Samson playing possum to Peter as Adam did thinking he was helping him the whole time to better the world….man, this could be a really good season if they do it right and since is probably the 1st time since the 1st season all the writers are working on this in unison without dropping/adding writers…we know they dropped some at the end of this one, but it could work out better because sometimes fresher ideas are needed to keep things alive…as F.D. said, he could corrupt Peter’s mind and honestly, what if they cross and it’s Samson that gives Pete the scar trying to open him up or something in that fashion? Man, you guys got my head spinning now! LOL Oh, and if you haven’t checked out Transformers 2 yet, you’re doing yourself a dis-service….Optimus Prime is f*cking awesome in this one and the storyline was very well written along with comedic scenes throughout….best movie of the year right now hands down!

If they indeed make Samson meet and mess with Peter, I’m hoping they don’t do this one “Adam-style”. Peter should’ve learned to not be so gullible. I mean, first, Adam almost tricked him into wiping the planet, then Arthur gave him a hug to get his power, and Nathan did the same to have him KO’d…

Vol. 4 showed a much more mature Peter, who also seemed basically to trust nobody but himself. Please writers, don’t make him retarded again…

I was rather hoping for an “Emperor & Anakin”-like corruption. With Peter knowing the dude is a baddie, but feeling he has no other choice but to take his path if he wants to finally become something more (and hereby DO something more, which has been his goal all along)

all i want in the next season if for the writers to un-fuck up hiro and peter. Bring back one major dead villain in the process. Seriously if they DO just leave sylar as nathan permenently i could be done with the show out of annoyance…i LOVE heroes. but the writers have been pissing up all off since dying of the light where peter lost his powers and that volume ended with him getting one half as good. Fugatives saw hiro get half of his back…only if he ever uses it, he could die. Then they take the ONLY villain left from the volume villains…and lock him away. Not to mention alice coming in EXTREMELY randomly and then leaving EXTREMELY quickly and pointlessly.

I think we’re all pissed about this.

@FD……….OMG.. THAT WASNT NICE. SHAME…SHAME.

I’m sorry Karin.

carl, Hiro was powerless when he met Baby Matt. Peter already has an ability… Also, consider that Hiro’s time freezing came with a huge feedback, because his DNA seemingly refuses to assimilate the power. I doubt anyone would want Peter to get near-death every time he absorbed a new ability. Albeit it could be a trivial issue should he get rapid cell generation.

But writers already hinted at some point that Peter merely has to reconnect with his empathy to get his ability back. He’s been taking abilities out of necessity lately. Using his brain, whereas he previously used his emo-side to connect with people before. I believe (hope) that he will get his empathy back at some point in season4. I hope even harder that it occurs when he’s nursing Samson Gray, so he’ll get some pretty hefty abilities, including IA and something cool called the hunger.

F.D.

Yep, which writer said Peter was disconnected from his empathy? You’re correct but I forgot exactly which one said it…

Peter saved his mom, at first because he knew she can dream what happens next, wasn’t grateful to Nathan for saving his life. Hell, he didn’t hesitate to leave the self-serving Tracy behind and save his own butt, either

As for Peter power being different now, his dad clearly said, “There is another way. The formula’s here,so is Nathan, I can give you your abilities back, you’ll just have to start over”. So yes, I believe that Peter still has Empathic Mimicry and just needs to reconnect and believe in himself/his abilities. Mohinder even said that the formula should work because his body’s “prone to taking abilities”. Arthur and Peter aren’t that much different, if you ask me, it’s just that Arthur has no empathy and pretty much thought Peter was “soft” for having it. Without Empathic Mimicry, you’re a leech/power stealer, with EM, you’re an absorber. Peter seems to be in-between his old self and his dad when it comes to power. He takes it by touch like Arthur but the target keeps it too like EM Peter

I look at it this way: both Peter and Sylar have Empathic Mimicry.

However, like the ability’s name suggest… empathy is required to benefit from it.

Peter used to be empathic, but got betrayed so many times that he shut himself down.

Sylar never was really emotionally empathic, but his clairsentience combined with IA allows him to perfectly understand how people feel. He has to work WAY harder than Peter used to, and probably will never be as proficient as Peter was (simply because he’s too goal/self focused).

Peter now has become goal/self focused too in some way. His main goal is to save the world and become stronger to achieve it while Sylar just wants to eat brains because he likes power and want to be that much better than everyone.

So yeah, writers felt Peter was too strong when he was a sponge. They will sooner or later be at a crossroad where they’ll have a choice between:
1) making his retarded ability evolve somehow (become more like Arthur?)
2) make him reconnect with his empathy like he used to
3) make him reconnect with his empathy somehow, but not yet like he used to

My #3 point is: Sylar is a perfect example displaying that what makes EM overpowered is empathy itself. If Peter required more concentration to empathize and wouldn’t just stand there and absorb everyone’s ability, he’d be much easier to keep in line.

So Peter got cheated by his father, then Nathan. Now imagine how pissed at the world he will be when he realizes Angela let Nathan die the same day he finally forgave him. He’ll be way too focused on revenge to waste time empathizing with anyone. But that doesn’t mean he couldn’t absorb some abilities in the meantime, right?

@Alex…. I agree, I’m loving the idea of Peter being a little bad…not sure if i want him craaazy bad.. and I LOVE the idea of SYlar turning good. i dont want it to happen over night tho..it should be a process. and its perfect to have Peter meet Samson and be his “nurse” or whatever, and have Samson trick him into going postal on Ang, HRG, & Matt. If Samson finds out what they did to Sylar/Nathan, then he would point that out to Peter as to join forces with him to get back at them. We all know and have seen how NEIVE Peter is!

nathan is gone and doesnt exist doesnt anyone get that, it is sylar and only sylar believing he is anthan. if he believed he was a two year old girl it doesnt mean that there is a two year old girl trying to fight for control of his body….nathan is dead. IT is only sylar.

i think peter absorbed I.A during the fight in finale and he imediately new how to absorb many powers from ability replication. He then dropped the I.A. so he wont have the hunger and took shapeshifting

sorry wrong screen name there…

thx Jig, yh it’s like when peter started flying earlier on in fugatives and people said that he was using his empathic mimicry again when really he had just touched nathan…or when people said that he lost his current ability by merely holding onto angela…i agree that there was a lot of confusion like when peter took sylars power and many questions which power if not all….

i wish peter just took sylar IA and then cut of the top of his head and used a double mirror to try and understand his origional power again….i say this again and again bu they really screwed hiro and peter over and in the process destroyed time travel.

btw daphne and ando were able to get to the past but how on earth did they get back!??? i not an expert on einstein’s theories but still…im a lil confuzzeled…

Am i the only person who thinks five years gone is the direction the show is heading, only with some very small, subtle difference than what we saw in season one?

@alexx and Jig

Nathan’s physically dead, but his memory (and conscience) is infused into Sylar.

At the point he figures he’s not really Nathan, it will become some kind of crazy schizophrenic struggle between Sylar’s multiple personalities (Nathan, Gabe, and who knows, maybe eve Sylar’s mom will come back into play)

Sylar’s memory is gone. Every time he touches Nathan belongings or people he came in contact with, he takes more of Nathan’s personality. It’s like someone removed Sylar’s brain and put Nathan’s in there. Yes, it is ultimately Sylar’s body. But when you say “Knock knock”, it’s Nathan who says “Who’s there?”.

BTW, saying only both of you guys pay attention to the show and knows for facts what’s gonna happen because you agree with each other made me smile.

At this point the show could go anywhere from Sylar becoming himself again to him having his dual personalities forever to Nathan becoming everything he was before, but 100 times more powerful because he has access to Sylar’s abilities. Just because there are more logical paths than other doesn’t mean writers will obviously take them.

Don’t forget that Angela, for some reason, thought it was a better idea to brainwash Sylar into thinking he’s Nathan than saving her own son by asking Claire to do the only thing she’s good for in this show. It was according to her “the only way to save Nathan”. I wouldn’t be so quick to assume Nathan’s character is gone for good.

‘BTW, saying only both of you guys pay attention to the show and knows for facts what’s gonna happen because you agree with each other made me smile. ’

F.D i never made any claim like that. people come on here to express their theories or understand something they dont get. I donjt understand why heroes essentialy killed d.l and daphne twice. By this i mean they made i all think that they were dead/dying…then brought them back…then killed them propperly…

smw, sk.l, f.d, me, jig, karin…many other peopl who always comment here, i wasnt
saying that only i understand and know whats comings.

someone elese made a very valid point about timetravelling next season not being what we expect, when i first saw that an episode was to be caled 1965…or something like that…i immidatly thought yay a time travel episode…didnt happen

if matt parkman made sylar think he was claire and absorb her memories it wouldnt make there two claires…we havenet seen enouch of syathan (thats sylar under the belief that he is nathan if u didnt get it) but i think his old personality will corrupt his actions. I KNOW what matt parkman did but still, OMG JUST THOUGH OF MAJOR POINT.

OMMGGG in season 2 the haiten took away PETERS MEMORIES…and peter was STILL! GOOD! so you see you are more than JUST your memories…am i getting through to anyone here???? just because he looks and thinks he is nathan does not mean that he will act like him…even with nathan’s memories urging him on…remember HE UNDERSTANDS THINGS DIFFERENTLY! his powers do that, and one massive thing…

SYLAR CANT FLY! HIS TELEKENISIS IS DIFFERENT TO HIS FLIGHT so sooner or later he is guna realise that He is NOT nathan.

i think the essence of my point is that sylar’s IA will cause him to be VERY different from nathan. What do you guys think? of did matt parkman stop him wanting to use his powers caus surely IA is passive or he would have got rid of the hunger long ago…

OMG!!!!!!!!! I really hope hiro doesnt die because of hiss powers

HMmmmm? Are you in the right thread? :p

i think he just clicked on the wrong comment??
Anywho…any new ideas going on today?

i still dont believe that this will be a battle on the INSIDE. I’m sorry but to me there is sylar, a blinded sylar, but sylar alone. there is no nathan to fight for control of the body, there is only a memory which sylar can hire the haiten or use the haiten’s power…if he killed him at the end of villains to remove.

btw did sylar ever take on the power of inpenetrational skin? cuz that would make him truely invincable, not even lava from a volcano could kill him….unless it went into his holes….e.g. nose

I think he took the power into some deleted scenes, but writers said scrapped material was scrapped. I also doubt he killed the Haïtian despite the fact that he seemingly disappeared while running after Sylar. I would be very disappointed if it was the case anyway. This is one of many things writers have to explain us, like how the hell did Sylar get out of Primatech while pacified with the glass shard in his head. (Noah’s glass melting theory goes down the drain when you know how hot glass has to be in order to melt)

And alexx, we shall see how Sythan turns out. I’ll have to disagree with you on that one, amongst other reasons because writers already hinted a “Fight Club-ish” storyline for this. Also because I keep in mind that Sylar was already going psycho with his personalities with shapeshifting taking over him. With his memory disconnected (and replaced), he is more vulnerable than ever.

Remember Sylar was already having issues restructuring his DNA (and was getting very worried about it, which says a lot coming from him). He woke up as Danko’s agent, and grew a random extra tooth while becoming himself again. Also keep in mind what happened when he absorbed his mom’s latest memories and DNA: he BECAME her every time he shifted to her (although he admittedly made her say what he wanted to hear) and that didn’t even require a brainwash.

Pretty much anything can happen in Heroes (more often than not, defying logic)

Heroes season4 cant wait I am practically wetting myself with anticipation

ok. i love watching heroes my favorite chacrater is peter but is seems to be pissing me off lately that peter lost his powers. will he ever get them back. you now that way he used to be. if not then it needs to happen. anyway sylar is the man

peter should have done this.

copied sylars understanding n understood all of his powers. then cut of the top of his head and with the help of a double mirror undertood his origional power.

u realise that ando didnt shock anyone last season? (as in, icnreasing their power) what ws with that?

NOOOO my point is that peter could have taken sylars IA and used it to get all of sylars other powers as well. it probs wouldnt wrk anyway (the head cutting thing).

anyway, there are soo many ways that th writers can make him the guy we loved again, ill leave it up to them to do that…in the mean time can someone plz explain why matt parkman is a prophet? like utsu said, and why he was ‘given’ utsu’s power. in my opinion either that ws part of utsu’s power (GIVING OTHERS his power) or mory parkman faked his own death and is manipulating matt….im confuzzled…

yeah, they had it in volume 1; stop sylar, save the world. they have kinda lost it since then. but volume 4 brought back the idea of an awesome final fight scene between heroes and villains, except the scuzzy gits didnt show it (grumble). they should bring back the idea of saving the world, stopping the bad guy and (i agree) stop messing around with the heroes abilities!!! give hiro back his power!! and i guess its too late for peter, if you want to be realistic about how the scrpt writers will do it.

I think one of the things that made Heroes S1 SOO great, was how they tied everyones stories TOGETHER> How it started out on what, 10-12 people and there individual stories of how they are discovering these abilities and how to handle them. Should they use them to better the world, or to better THERE life.? Then how everyone was connected and they didnt know it. To me nothing is better than watching a show, thinking ONE thing will happen, and then it totally blows you away and you sit there thinking… WHOA I had NO IDEA it was like that. Does anyone else feel what I’m saying?
In all truth, it is a small world. We are all similar, and signifigant, and linked together in one way or another.
Example…In S1 Claire rescues firefighter from burning train wreck. In S3 we find out that her bio mom & uncle were on the train and cause some of the fire.
That is just one of many. Hopefully we will get more similar storylines in S4.
I HAVE FAITH IN YOU HEROES/WRITERS>

@ alexx

Just a quick answer (coz I have made this point before a few times), but with regards to prophet Matt…

Matt power is not limited to Telepathy (as we now know). His ability (as Bob said in S2) is “whatever the brain controls, [Matt] can control”.

Since psychic abilities all fall under this category, Matt’s power has evolved from the original ‘receptive’ Telepathy (mindreading), to now include ‘transmitting’ (or pushing) thoughts – still part of Telepathy, PRECOGNITION (seeing the future – which is why he is now a ‘prophet’), and now, as we saw in the finale, Mental Manipulation (erasing, editing thoughts).

Basically, it looks like Matt is becoming a ‘Professor X’ type character – VERY powerful. Theoretically, depending entirely on how much his powers evolve and his mastery over them, he could possibly one day learn how to do what Molly does (Clairvoyance), MAYBE even Clairsentience (Sylar’s ‘Touch & Know’ ability)… The list goes on.

Hope that explains it for you… You’ve been asking that question for a while!

OOOPS misspelled Heroes. lol

Will Peter get back his ability (empathic mimic)? I don’t like the idea of “mimic one ability at a time, losing the old ability in order to acquire the new one “!
If Peter cannot get back his ability, Sylar is going to control the world! Peter should save the world!

@ HEROES LOVER
I hear ya, about SuperMatt facing repercussions… maybe we’ll see him end up in a hovering wheelchair coz his brain gets too powerful? lol! (As long as he doesn’t end up secretly teaching a school full of ‘the next generation of Heroes’ as well… with a jet in the basement…!)

@ alexx
Agreed, they could have made the leap in a slightly more coherent way… At first, I too thought “WTF? How can he go from mindreading to painting the future?” But eventually I kinda stumbled across the answer while looking up something else, had a mini-revelation, and kicked myself for not making the connection. But I think the fact of having him PAINT the future (which really wasn’t necessary IMO) is what confuses the issue more than anything… If he just had visions, but somehow in a different way to Angela, then it wouldn’t be such a transparent attempt to keep the comicbook element that Isaac’s character brought to the show. Rather than re-hash an original idea that worked so well in an effort to recapture the essence of season 1, I think they could have done it in a different and still original way. But c’est la vie… on the plus side, they HAVE brought Matt’s character up a couple of levels from what I found to be boring, so I guess I can live with the painting issue.

LOL yuppers…i just cannot wait until September 21st!!!!!!!!! lol and it’s awesome that they’re having a 2 hour premiere for it…..lol is that normal? Do they do that for every season? lol i don’t know b/c i watch it online….lol

OMG… is your name REALLY “Ho to Ho” HA! LMFAO!
Sorry I couldnt resist!

To Alexx: lol wow. you really figured out that math…you sound like a dedicated fan. lol wow. lol well season 4 is gonna be a 2 hour premiere!!!!!!! So yay!!!!!!!! lol and…for a while i thought about doing what my teacher does…waiting until the season is over…then watching it all together online so you won’t be left with a cliffhanger that’ll make you pull your hair out….but then i decided to just watch it as it comes…b/c any SUPER FAN can’t wait that long. lol so yeah just saying. lol btw not trying to brag…but how much longer would you have to wait to see the episode after it comes out here in the U.S.? lol

i dunno, i kind of doubt it. i really liked his old abilities though : (

@ HEROES LOVER..just a quick question..of course you dont have to answer but I’m curious how old you are?
I think Sylar’s gonna go nutto when he finds out. he will def hold it in awhile then surprise everyone.

@ heroes lover, lol im also 15! well give it a week. neways i like your idea, i know someone that does that with a different series…but that means you cant come on here and tlak about it, and it also means waiting A LOT longer, which i simply cant do. now if something like: hiro and peter both permenently die in the same episode and sylar loses all of his powers, maybe i could wait a season for the rest…lol nah i would be watching just out of ‘pulling your hair out’ as you put it.

Okay, I just saw Peter’s fight scene against Ray Park in “redemption” from the Comic Con 09. Wow, Peter can fight and looks to use more than one ability as he grabs Ray and threw him with what appears to be super strength when protecting HRG.

HRG: Take his Power

Peter: Got it!

Than they both start fighting with Park’s super speed and knives and Peter uses martial arts. catches a knife thrown at HRG at super speed too

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To HEROES LOVER:

ask and you shall recieve!!! http://heroesspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/2009/07/heroes-season-4-comic-con-sneak-peek.html

Dapne was shot in Trust and Blood, but Danko never treated her, Matt got her out along with Tracy and Mohinder, but she died later in a hospital from the infection of the untreated wound

HEROES COMIC CON 2009 CAN BE SEEN FROM THIS LINK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GswrJq_f_Mg&feature=related

it’s totally awesome. lol there are 6 parts. lol plus a sneak peek of season 4, which is awesome, too. lol

wow. ok. lol i’m in the process of watching Heroes Season 3 for the third time….and i just saw Dual, where Peter, Knox, and Flint destroy al the formula, then Nathan comes, and Flint sets the place on fire, and Peter saves Nathan, then later Nathan says, “That’s not what i would’ve done.” and that’s soo wrong…and it got me thinking thta Peter wouldn’t be in so much mess if he weren’t soo sentimentally vulnerable with his emotions. lol feel free to disagree.

i think nathan/sylar has the ability to fly, coz as sylar did with the shape-shifter, he took his ability without opening his head, also he took the ability of Elle without slicing her too.
i think that we will discover in season 4 the relation between peter and sylar when they where just kids. coz as you know in season 3 peter before touching sylar could only take one ability at the time. so that means that right now he is using only sylars ability and not his own.
plus imagine if Ando uses his power on Peter… what would happen? would he get the ability to control all the powers around him?
And since the first elemental made his appearence (Tracy) i think that Claire Bennet’s biological mom is going to make a come-back as a fire elemental. remember she did survive the fire when she lost Claire, and after the adrenaline push she had, she couldhave develloped her powers. similarly to Tracy when that “Ice Age” blow out in the parking.
what do you think?

i can’t wait for it, its always company after company it will never stop but then peter to the rescue, only a few more days till the opening waiting with paitience.