NBC has released their official 2009 Fall TV Premiere Dates and Times and Heroes Season 4 as expected is scheduled for Sept. 21st at 8PM, but it will be a Two-Hour Premiere.
We will see the first two episodes, Episode 4×01 – Orientation and Episode 4×02 – Jump, Push, Fall.
Episode 4×03 is called Acceptance.
Casting Calls
( via SpoilerTV )
Episode 4×01 and 4×02
[JAPANESE OFFICE WORKER]
25-45, Male. JAPANESE. MUST SPEAK JAPANESE. Office drone in Tokyo desperate to end the monotony. Humor is not lost on him…GUEST STAR
We will learn more about Angela Petrelli’s past in Episode 4×03Acceptance.
“I just read episode 4.03 and—oh, I get chills just thinking about it—I learned that 20 years ago or so, I made a decision that is going to come to back to bite me in my rear end. Angela tries her best, but she keeps screwing up. Oh well, she stays afloat with a sense of humor and a glass of wine.”
Episode 4×04
[DOCTOR CAMBRIDGE] 60s, female. Caucasian. MUST BE FLUENT IN SIGN LANGUAGE. Kind doctor in a NYC hospital. Compassionate and knowing with a vested interest in her patient…GUEST STAR / POSSIBLE RECUR
Heroes is casting for a 11-year oldish boy top play Young Nathan.
“I absorb a memory from an article of clothing that sends me back in time to when I was 11,” he explains. “Something happened to young Nathan but old Nathan doesn’t remember it. How can that be? It has to do with a character we have met before.”
Rick Worthy Joins the Cast as Matt’s Partner.
Rachel Melvin has joined the cast as Annie for Season 4. Annie will share “maybe more” than just sleeping quarters with Claire.
I’m not sure about a full-blown relationship, but I can confirm that the college roomies will engage in a little Sapphic experimentation. At least that’s the plan.
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@F.D./Kari/Sk, did you hear of Emma Bray, the new love interest of Peter has a crazy ability where she can see “wave Lengths/patterns”, Peter touches her taking her ability and this is how she somehow shows Pete how to “re-connect” with himself?? I have a feeling that once he acquires this ability, he may be able to recognize the wave lengths in one’s ability allowing him to “understand how it works” to a degree, but still taking it emphatically! This would be another ingenius way like an evolutionary jump how Parkman is somehow using his telepathy to be able to spirit walk still…once his mind entered that realm, being a telepath, he should be able to follow the recourse on how to re-open the telepathic gateway since it’s similar to his latent ability, so it kind of makes sense…wierd is how Sylar is partially trapped in his mind, but I have a feeling Sylar’s consciousness slipped into his mind when he tried to bury his thoughts…well, we’ll see what theories of our come to fruition and analyze accordingly. GO HEROES!!
Oh yeah, a poster on here mentioned how when Peter acquired the super speed and fought the guy on par just acquiring it like he knew how to use it already was a damn good question and I think this explains it…well, understanding the wave lengths of the ability would allow him to pick it up and know how to use it right away, so now this theory is starting to make more sense…wow, a different version of IA without the hunger possibly existing? That what makes this show the shit!
@gotay78 thanks! just found the Emma article (and Bray is the actress’ last name, not the character’s)
Highlights:
That sounds (pun!) really interesting! This would be the “real” sound manipulation ? Then they’ll have to rename Echo’s ability to “really loud screaming” or something.
I can’t wait to learn more of this ability because it looks pretty abstract. She can see sound waves as colors, and apparently learns to manipulate them somehow. So she could make people hear things (and really mess with their head) and/or possibly develop Echo/Sylar’s sound manipulation and make stuff explode or something.
I’m not sure how you got to believe it would be related in any way to ability replication ? You’d think that special abilities all generate a unique sound wave length and Peter would in turn be able to identify and replicate them? I honestly have a hard time to believe they’d make it so complicated.
@F.D., would you? If you think about it all the abilities we’ve seen all have had a unique sound from Sylar’s IA to the Sound Nathan’ flying make creating wavelengths. If he can understand and see the wavelength in the ability, it would be like decoding it from the outside opposed to the inside like Sylar does with the brain. If you put it in these terms, it’s really not complicated all to me personally, but some wouldn’t probably like this avenue but we’ll see…Also, I didn’t know until I went back and read the full Comic Con script that the Haitan is back so that’s damn good to know and Mohinder has been cut out a lot this season. I also just saw interestingly that the “Tatoo chick” uses/moves the tatoos on her body which helps her locate other people with abilities like Molly, which is most likely how they find Hiro and everyone else…I have to stop before I go insane….put the S3 out on DVD already, I need my fix….lol
I’m reluctant to buy the “ability replication via sound waves” idea in part because it would allow Peter to identify specials on the spot. For example if he met a person with lie detection, he’d be able to figure they did something. This is not only weird, but would also allow Peter to copy abilities from great distances. He could sit all day in the park and copy just look at the waves, copying everything. I really doubt writers want to jump back into the “all you can eat buffet” for Peter. They’ll want to keep his powers somewhat limited otherwise they’ll have to force another reset at some point.
And also, come on, you know Sylar’s I.A. doesn’t ACTUALLY have a watch mechanism sound effect.
I think what’s more likely to happen is Peter will get really close with Emma, and they’ll together learn how to toy with her ability. Emma will learn new sound manipulating tricks, and Peter will, through lowering his guard to her, reconnect with his old empathic ways. Season 1 Peter was made of selflessness, full of dreams and hopes that the world was worth saving one person at a time. This guy died with Arthur’s then Nathan’s betrayal, but I’m willing to bet that Emma will bring him back from his slumber.
This is basically what I’m reading between the lines of interviews/spoilers I’ve seen so far.
1) Milo acknowledged Peter is getting his innocence/happiness back
2) Kring said Peter will “find out that life means staying connected to others” through his relation with Emma
3) Deanne Bray said Peter gets really tight with Emma through mistakenly copying her ability and then helping her explore it.
If this doesn’t end out with THE COMEBACK OF PETER’S EM then I don’t know what can!
RE:The Haitian… I really wonder what role he will have to play in this season. Helping Matt with Sylar ? Dealing with the Carnival’s evil plots? I hope he will not just have a couple cameos. And for all that is holy, writers damn well better explain us what the hell happened with Sylar when he ran after him!
@F.D., OK after looking it at that way, I guess you’re right with the wave lengths theorem….I guess in anticipation of this season, I can’t help but formulate some kind of alternate scenario! LOL What you said is how I originally thought until I saw the wave lengths and my mind just went into another realm of possibility and you’re right that it would make him unstoppable, which personally, I didn’t mind!
As far as Sylar, I didn’t mean the watch sound as much as the screeching when he’s sawing your head off…but I get the point!
And for the Haitan, you know if HRG/Angela are around they need their boy to limit the level 5 characters so maybe he’ll go right back where he belongs. I agree that they say WTF he’s been while all these mofo’s have been on the run. How come they never pursued him or did he wipe their memories when they arrested him? We’ll see but glad he’s back….
Emma’s ability sounds quite intriguing (and no, that wasn’t a joke)… I’m with F.D. on this one, gotay, I dunno if it’s gonna act like I.A. to give P.P. his E.M. back… O.K? (Feel free to reply, but it HAS to be in abbreviated form lol!
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I did wonder what her ability would be… when they called for a hearing-impaired actress for casting, I got the impression that it might be kinda ‘reverse-Daredevil’ (i.e. enhanced sight/ senses to compensate for her hearing loss), or that she would absorb or control sound (like the agent in the GN that captured Echo). Truthfully though, I never expected this… kudos to writers for keeping it somewhat original!
@gotay78 writers said that Angela’s new company will not be about locking up baddies anymore, but more like the original company’s goal: to help people with abilities. The Haïtian was essential for bag & tag missions but if the company turns into some kind of refuge, I’m wondering what part he will take into it?
The Haïtian was still on Danko’s board, which makes me believe that they never cought him. The last thing we saw of him was trying to catch Sylar after Arthur died. They will probably give us a kind of “he was too exhausted to control Sylar after doing his thing to Arthur, so Sylar managed to escape, then figured he couldn’t trust anyone after hearing Danko’s cabal so he stayed in hiding”. But I really want to hear what officially happened.
I beleive season 4 will be right up there with season one and they will bring back most of the original characters in season 1. I think peter wont ever gain the ability to just absorb peoples powers but will however be able to gain them by touch and reetain them for permanent use. Sylar will realize that he is in this shell of Nathan. In the futures shown in previous seasons and episodes I believe the real nathan will be saved from the demise he just met after the fact and on the down low by key people and kept away until the time is right and they will strike and kill sylar after he does what has to be done as nathan to save the world.
I actually liked the preview. It got me excited for the new season. I thought “Heroes” got back on track toward the end of last season, so I am eager to see new episodes.
milo v and deanne bray:
Set pic’s of what could be the “oops i seem to have accidently absorbed your powers” scene lol. (btw on one of them,how close is his hand to her bum ?!?!)
http://spoilertv-heroes.blogspot.com/2009/07/set-photos.html
-k-
Thanks Kerry! Awesome pics!
IMO…it looks like Pete was flying her somewhere! When they were in front of the “green screen” looks like it to me..! I am SOOOOO EXCITED!
Also IMO…I think that we can rest assured that there will be a “5Months ago” or whatever the title may be, an episode where they show us what happened at the end of S3, after the finale. THey have done similar things every other season. THis is where we will find out (hopefully) what happened to the Haitian, and others that they left hanging… HOPEFULLY
@F.D., true the Haitan was mostly used for bag/tag missions, but how valuable is he when “The Company” is up against another type of company? Also, he’s still on the run so he will have to pick a side and his memory wipe will still be needed vs. humans they may encounter to keep hidden…He will be definitely needed around Samuel with that type of ability and others and remember something, we are talking about Angela and HRG here, they both are always on that thin line between right/wrong from Day 1…@Kerry, thanks for posting those links and I saw Jack Coleman’s response to why they couldn’t use Claire’s blood to heal Nathan, which is what many of us thought…he had bled out too long with his throat wide open….and he mentioned they would have a scene with him and Angela talking about Matt doing the memory switch on Sylar before they were in the room together and how he chose the lesser of two evils….
@SK, yeah, I was going off the charts a bit with the wavelengths theory, but it’s because Peter is my favorite character and I just want him to get his abilities back no matter which way they do it!
It’s most likely the relationship and their empathic feeling that will help him re-gain his power and I can’t wait!!
@Kari, I’ve said the same thing from Day 1 when this past season ended…they will show us what happened in that room during the fight, they will show us the convo between Angela/HRG before they asked Matt to bury Sylar’s memories and hopefully some other left out parts like where the Haitan has been etc,…I also read Rose’s (Angela) interview and she said Peter and Sylar would be morphing into multiple people this season and some of them being old characters…sounds nice! Also something about Nathan’s original ability kind suggesting it may have been something else or he’s confused about it with his new arsenal of powers from Sylar…hmmmm…and that Nathan will get redemption to a degree this season, this sounds like it’ll be good, eh?
I really don’t buy the “Nathan’s throat as been pouring blood for too long” justification, as much as I don’t buy the “Glass shard in Sylar’s neck melted (which happens at 3k+ degrees) then Sylar regenerated from ashes” one.
This is rather disheartening because I was really anticipating Angela giving us a really plausible explanation, that she saw the future and it had to happen this way.
Well… the preview actually confirmed that it was the case, since “Nathan” got shot down and burried and will obviously survive. But I really wanted to hear that Angela knew it would happen.
Gotay… wouldnt it be AWESOME if they brought back Monica, or someone like that? Monica would be perfect! Could ya imagine if Peter had Monica’s power? Or WORSE, could you imagine if SYLAR had Monica’s power??? Uh-Oh. So here’s an off the wall question, if someone with Monica’s ability watched someone ELSE with an ability use there power, would she be able to mimic there POWER? Huh?
That SUCKS! They could at least tell us what the HELL happened to her. LOTS of people loved her charachter, and for her to just drop off the earth like that SUCKS. I saw her on another TV show the other day, she was just on 1 ep, and it made me even madder at Heroes.COME ON THE WRITERS MUST KNOW HOW MANY OF US WANT HER BACK>>>>>>>>>>>>>
However..it probably doesnt matter if THEY NEVER BRING BACK MONICA!
Gotay,,, I am feeling more & more confident that what we were discussing awhile back, about Nathan having an original ability that Arthur took away, and then gave him an artificial/injection & that is how he got flying….but I feel more confident that it is true, in some effect.
ONCE AGAIN, WHEN DOES SEASON 3 COME OUT AGAIN?
IMO, Monica can only mimic body movements as far as we can tell. Seeing Micah communicate with his blackberry certainly didn’t allow her to copy his ability. Seeing a superstrength person lift a 1000pounds weight wouldn’t allow her body to support it, even though she would probably have a flawless technique.
Well, that was 2 seasons ago, and it’s Heroes,,. They could always make her ability evolve into mimicking abilities but I think that would be pretty far fetched, especially for a really minor character.
For now, I’m assuming that her abilities consists of “mimicking every body movement that is normal/humanly possible and her body can support it”. Meaning for example that she could dominate every single sport just by watching TSN for a while, as long as her body was fit/strong enough to perform the moves.
FD..while i agree with you, it makes sense n all. But… they did have her doing triple front flips, on a horse bar (or whatever that olympic bar is called) and TRUST me that takes a lot of muscle & strength. Not to mention when she did that flip around thing and knocked the robber thru the glass, that took a lot of muscle and she’s a Small girl that works flippin burgers all day, so i would assume she’s not very strong. But in reality I agree w/you, but I’m saying what they have showed us doesnt go along those same lines. Oh well, we may never see her again…
sniff…sniff.
Her location was such a total mystery than even Micah could not find her without requiring Molly’s help. We’ll probably learn more about her faith in the next GN.
If it can bring you a bit of hope, I got the impression that writers made a multi-parts GN series about Micah’s quest to find her for a reason. Tracy’s redemption is highly focused on Micah, so I wouldn’t be surprised if she eventually got introduced to the Dawson family now that Micah almost freed them all.
That said, there are SO MANY things to look after this season with Sylathan(both the fact that there’s a death warrant on Nathan and Sylar wants his body back), Peter finally getting EM back, this new intriguing sound wave ability, the carnival and their objectives for Peter & Hiro, Hiro time travelling, Angela and HRG running a new company along with Tracy… I really, really wonder where they’d put Monica’s return in there without making it seem kind of irrelevant.
@Karinboutheroes. i was bit worried that sylar might gain ando’s power, that would be really really bad, although that would be using two powers at the sametime (supercharging and something else) and i cant think of anyone doing that before.
gotta say i’d love for them to bring back micah full time, oh and molly.
-k-
Sylar being able to supercharge himself would make him way too godly. Doing so would basically destroy the show. Imagine Sylar supercharging his sound manipulation or shattering snap? He could blow the planet up instantly… Even if he didn’t do it, knowing that he has the possibility to do so would be rather depressing.
What could be really interesting however, is Sylar learning that such a power exists(he doesn’t know Ando has an ability currently) and REALLY want it; hunting Ando down. That would be very season1-esque and we would all know all hope is lost if he actually succeeded.
“Save the sidekick, save the world!”
The idea that Peter might be getting his EM back really makes me think: will we get the “You will pay for what you did to Nathan” scene ?
I’ve been really reluctant to assume any future showed to us by writers could be close the the reality. But we have to face the facts that 1) They will never let Nathan win the Sylar/Nathan inner fight and 2) Peter will be REALLY pissed off when he learns what happened to his brother.
I think Peter should learn the whole thing near the end of this volume. This would make a GREAT focus and theme for next volume:
“Heroes: Payback”.
Peter goes ape-sh*t at Sylar, helped by HRG who’s mad at him for ruining his marriage
Sylar is after Matt and his family, and also want to eliminate all the Petrellis
Tracy helped by Micah, finally gets her 1on1 with Danko (although I actually believe he’ll bite the dust in this volume)
Samson wants his revenge on his son (and steal his abilities)
Sylar learns that Claire helped Samson heal his cancer and wants to rip her head off
Hiro goes badass Ninja because Ando died at some point.
Samuel wants revenge on whoever pissed him off in any way in this volume.
Angela wants to deal with Millie for attempting to kill his son
Alice is just angry at the world and want to rip it apart
I wonder if they could pack that much action in one volume.
@FD, oooh i really wish i hadn’t been drinking when i read your “save the sidekick, save the world comment”. Also all your theories are really good, if they don’t come true then i demand some fanfics lol.
-k-
i have a question. Elle was able to teach Sylar to empathically take her power, altho he had no empathic abilities himself. was that part of his “understanding the way things work” power? because he also empathically took the morphing power from the other dude… my point:
why cant peter “train” himself to once again empathically take powers? if sylar could do it and thats not even his ability…
also, this whole talk of sylar “wanting his body back”… come on, sylar is in his own body, just morphed and brainwashed into thinking hes Nathan. i strongly believe that Matt’s guilt for lying to everyone is causing him to have nightmares about this whole situation, but sylar doesnt even know that he’s sylar yet!
I think that the redemption nathan gets is that his reputation gets cleared and he helps settle the homo superior vs homo sapien (xmen reference) war that he began… and after he does that will the writers probably bring sylar back officially… i dont think a sylar that knows that he’s sylar morphed as nathan would act the part as well as he needs to and wouldnt really want to stop the war… i mean, sylar helped danko bc he was able to track the “mutants” that way… so he;d probably wanna keep this thing going to find more and eat… i mean, explore…their brains…
they probably will bring back Monica, Micah, and the grandma in this season. if she was in th epicture of the original founders of the company, and if theyre bringing back Millie (the crzy red-head) then theres no reason not to re-include DLs mom. i think that there will be another Tracy/Micah reunion, and that might lead to tracy meeting the family and trying to find her roots after she gets revenge on Danko’s men… maybe find her other sister and see what power she got, biological parents, etc.
@Kari, yeah, Monica would be great and as F.D. said, the whole GN’s being about him trying to find her should have some relevance and they did say we will see some old faces in this season so keep your fingers crossed…
@F.D., if they could fit all that in one season, it would be awesome or in two volumes like S3 ! I also wondered the same thing at one point about Monica’s abilities being able to copy powers as well, but that would make her the most unstoppable really!
@heroesrocks, I hear you on the empathic feeling with Peter which is what will happen again. Peter never fully understood his empathy and lost it just when he starting to master it and much it is based on his feelings…he lost touch with who he was which is why getting back to being a nurse/paramedic is so important to his ability. His caring attitude is the core to his abilities and all he’s been through lately was lies, deceit and anger from his mother, father and brother! Realistically, they all betrayed him in some form or another so he’s been through a lot to even know how to focus on what…I hope we get old Pete back and can’t wait to see who he morphs into as they said he would shift into multiple people this season….GO HEROES!!
It was not Elle who taught Sylar to use his empathy, but actually Arthur.
Arthur, being an ability stealer and an original company founder was VERY knowledgeable about how abilities work. He KNEW that Sylar could mimic using empathy. So either he knew that Sylar had EM buried deep inside, or there’s a gimmick with ablities, whereas any special could in theory copy abilities if they really, really empathize with other specials.
Starting from the point that both Sylar and Peter can empathicly mimic, there is only one thing that prevents Sylar from being the power sponge Peter used to be: his absolute lack of empathy whatsoever. Peter was not only an ability sponge, but also hyperconnected to people in his vicinity.
Sylar managed to use EM through almost fusioning with Elle’s distress, and used his clairsentience to really know what James Martin was all about. Elle’s empathic connection was his first and only true emotional one. James Martin’s connection was purely a mix of clairesentience and I.A. allowing him to exactly understand his feelings.
This is why I always liked to say that both Peter and Sylar can use EM, but whereas Sylar has Intuitive Aptitude… Peter’s actual “ability” was Intuitive Empathy.
This is all a part of the Mythos connecting eclipses, emotions and adrenaline. Arthur was well aware that Sylar could pull it off. Maybe not everyone has the understanding/emotional connection to EM.
From tv guide (http://www.tvguide.com/news/heroes-postmortem-sylar-1005536.aspx)
Quotes:
Adrian Pasdar tells TVGuide.com. “There’s Nathan, there’s Sylar, and there’s the point of view that you have to factor in. If I look up into the mirror, who would I see?”
“Who’s going to be able to control the actions of the body?” Pasdar teases. “Like one of those computers that self-teaches, the longer he stays in my body and the longer he assimilates my physical structure and DNA, the more control I get. So it becomes a battle of who’s in charge.”
Greg Grunberg says keeping this dirty little secret will present its share of problems next season. “You’ve got an alliance right now with the three of us, but Angela Petrelli is not to be trusted. And you don’t want to get on her bad side,” Grunberg says. “I did what they asked me to do, and now they’re going to ask me to do more and get in deeper. It’s going to be a spiral that is going to tear my character up. It leads me to believe that next season is just going to be awesome.” “Only Parkman knows truly how to control [Sylar], so it would be cool if I could unleash him,” he says. “I could tell HRG and Angela everything is OK, meanwhile I unleash the monster. I don’t know why I would do it, but maybe if I get pushed to the point where I just can’t take it any more, I let the monster out.”
-k-
@Kerry..
You are always giving us somethign good!
YOU ARE THE BOMB!!
I know some of ya’all are gonna have something to say about me bringing up another “future” but here it goes anyways
Ok, so remember in S1 when Nathan(Sylar) was president, and who was his right hand man on the secret service?? MATT! So i’m gonna say it once again, they ARE taking things from the different futures we have seen so far, and putting it into this season! I KNEW IT! So betcha’ that Matt & Sythan are gonna be buddied up together! Matt is going to go down his “dark path” and it’s goiing to be because of what he has done. i dont think he’s going to be EXACTLY as he was when we saw him in the future ep, but I do feel like all his evils are catching up to him and going to change him as we know him
@Kari, good points and furthermore, it will probably cause him to lose his family as he looked like a stressed out loner cop in that future where he killed HRG….I always wondered in that future how even though Sylar was Nathan, why he never killed Matt being a power hungry psycho? It’s most likely because Matt knew who he was all along….well, we’ll see as it could go that way or may not, but good speculation…he will probably realize the only way to get Sylar out of his head is to bring him back to the surface….
Gotay,,,
Well he was definately a loner cop in the future we saw in S1. and remember HRG had given him a picutre that Matt Jr had drawn for him? Also I think that Matt is mostly good, but he had made so many bad decisions he probably drove his wife & MJ away on purpose because he knew how Sylar is , and they would be the 1st thigns sylar would try to take away, to hurt mattt. or maybe its a thing where sylar tells matt, help me or i will kill them, then matt just falls into the bad guy lifestyle. or maybe somehow Sylar helps Matt and in turn he holds it above his head to keep him working w/him. Ohh i’m sooooo excited! Well also Sylar didnt kill Mohinder, not that he had a power in that future, but Sylar has always been fascinated by certain people like suresh, even tho he killed Papa Suresh, he was fascinated by him also at 1st.
Gotay,,,
Well he was definately a loner cop in the future we saw in S1. and remember HRG had given him a picutre that Matt Jr had drawn for him? Also I think that Matt is mostly good, but he had made so many bad decisions he probably drove his wife & MJ away on purpose because he knew how Sylar is , and they would be the 1st thigns sylar would try to take away, to hurt mattt. or maybe its a thing where sylar tells matt, help me or i will kill them, then matt just falls into the bad guy lifestyle. or maybe somehow Sylar helps Matt and in turn he holds
1t above his head to keep him working w/him. Ohh i’m sooooo excited! Well also Sylar didnt kill Mohinder, not that he had a power in that future, but Sylar has always been fascinated by certain people like suresh, even tho he killed Papa Suresh, he was fascinated by him also at 1st.
EVEN BAD GUYS NEED FRIENDS OR SOMEONE ELSE AROUND!!
@Karinboutheroes: this information posted by Kerry is really old news. I think that was more than 1 month ago. I just wish Matej would keep up because I feel cheap linking other spoiler sites here.
But this site just has the best community.
I really doubt that Greg meant that he’d become Sylar’s lackey by “going down the dark path”. In 5YG, I think Matt was more zealous than purely evil. He took his work as a special agent seriously, and was eager to please the president (which I doubt he knew was Sylar). So I think he honestly brought him Claire because he thought Nathan would like to see his MIA daughter, not to feed her to Sylar.
Matt becoming darker would mean he’d tend more toward Arthur/Maury. Forcing people’s thoughts and actions. When given the choice between a bloodfest and hiding himself and relatives under illusions, he always chose the latter (except when Daphnee got shot).
If Matts gives up and actually unleashes Sylar’s fury, Sylar will certainly ravage the Petrellis and resume his plan on taking over presidency. This could have dire consequences on his conscience.
But here’s more food for thought if we want to keep up with futures: in the beginning of Vol.3, Peter had shapeshifting (he shifted into his younger self to hide his scar) and BODY INSERTION. This can lead to an entirely different storyline where Peter finds out what’s going on with Nathan/Sylar and manages to rip Nathan out of Sylar’s body, in turn freeing Sylar!
@ FD…well I agree tha t Matt is NOTHING like Sylar, killing, ravaging, and all that. BUT.. I do think that a lot of things can lead up to him just pretty much being ashamed of himself, by makiing so many bad decisions trying to protect his family, but in turn hurting others, will take him down a dark path. not turn him into a psychopath like Syalr, but doing enuf to turn Matt.
Also the whole BODY INSERTION… OMG. please dont let them do this.. it’s way too cheeeeeesy for my taste
@Karin but Nathan always cheated death so far. Kring said his death would stick, but not that it would stick forever.
They will probably consider this option amongst others…
- Killing Sylar (would certainly not be profitable given his popularity)
- Erasing Nathan’s memory for good (would be rather drastic given the fact that he played a major role in most hinted futures)
- Making Sylar forever shift in and out of Nathan’s face, pretending to be him as president (would eventually get old)
- And finally split the apple in two, Nathan becomes himself again and Sylar finally gets his body back. (would feed the “How will Nathan survive that one?” running gags)
@FD… didnt Angela snatch him up before he met up with Arthur? after sylar killed bob aka king midas, didnt he and elle end up in a dungeon together where she was electrecuting the shit out of him? and then they started talking, and he felt remorse, and then she showed him how to take her power and use it without exploring her brain… and then they went to work for arthur… at least thats how i remember it, correct my on the sequence of events if im wrong. another thing i didnt get, is that if angela thought arther was dead, how did they BOTH think of the same lie to Sylar about convincing him that he’s really a petrelli? Angela did it, and then 2 episodes later we see arthur convincing sylar that he’s his son also… did angela dream about this a long time ago and told arthur, and then he figured she’d do it so he played along?
also, umm… can nathan really be “pulled out” of that body if its not even nathan? Sylar is morphed in to nathan. its sylars body, not nathans. they arent 2 consciousnesses inhabiting one body, its al SYLAR with nathans external appearance and memories… sylar will be become himself again once he realizes what happened!!!!
i also think he’ll realize it sooner than we expect. he’s gonna start touching objects and knowing their history even further back than nathan should, he’ll realize it when ppl lie to him and he gets that little “sylar sense tingling,” not to mention we already know he is going to create electricity like he got from elle… sylar is not stupid, even if hes brainwashed into believing he’s nathan. i think that if Matt does get more involved, it will be to control those powers that Sylar has, ie matt will further brainwash him into believing he has no powers and he’s imagining things, and the powers may stop coming thru for a while but they will still eventually come out.
in 5YG, Nathan was still portrayed as a self hating hero-cidal president. if this chapter is called redemption, i really dont think Nylar will go back down the path of trying to commit mass genocide on homo superior… so even if he does become president soon, i think that he will have more of an agenda of targeting those heroes with powers that he covets, and tracking them down and killing them the way he did in season 1. and since he can morph, he’d change his appearance so no one would know its him.
all i have to say is IF they do use the “BODY INSERTION”: thing, they better make it look good and pull it off the right way, cuz if not, it’s gonna make the entire show look different. i dunno i just didnt care for it the last time, too cheesy.
Arthur told Sylar “you don’t have to kill people to get their power, you can use your empathy”. Then locked him up with Elle. Elle, who had issues controlling her ability due to emotional instability, enraged, tried to blow him up but Sylar felt sincerely sorry, and they both concluded they were monsters, products of their parents mistakes (empathy right there). Elle then gained control of herself and Sylar sparkled a bit of lightning saying “I can do it!”. Elle then trained him into being BETTER with the ability because he was really pathetic at using it.
0o0o0o. ok thank u. gosh, FD whatever would i do without you? you just might be my hero…
i just hope wen/if nathen finds out hes sylar that he will shape shift back into him cuz i dont think anyone else can pull off that sylar role
j-maine… I think that we will see a lot of both charachters. y’know they will be showing what Nylar see’s when he looks at himself. and remember how they did it when Sylar was having the conversations w/his mom they kept going back n forth from sylar to his mom. So I think we will still see Zach Q a lot.
And seriously tho… doesnt sylar have enuf powers? Dont ya think he would come to a point where he says…Yeah, I’m good now. WTF? I think that the shapeshifting ability has REALLY messed w/his DNA (heheha) but fo’real, I think it’s messed him up emotionally too, so maybe he will be going towards the good path. I do think that he evintually will turn good….well as good as sylar can get. Oh…before that happens, he WILL get revenge on Ang, HRG, & Matt….or he will give Matt the option to help him…
He would probably stay undercover under Nathan’s skin for a while.
Especially if he wants to take the president’s place.
yeah i think (once again) it will be SIMILAR to the 5YG future, where Nylar is president, and I bet that Matt will be on his team. I think it will start as a thing where Nylar tells matt, help me or i kill MJ & Janice, or something like that. Basically I think Matt will get “sucked in” to helping Nylar. Ideas?
I doubt Matt will team up with Sylar. He regrets what he did to him because it’s “wrong” to do this (even to Sylar). Not because he’s afraid for his family, and probably not to the point of turning into a villain.
FYG Matt worked for “president Petrelli”. Sylar managed to even trick Matt too, for some reason they probably didn’t have time to explain in one episode.
One thing I’m concerned about is that once Sylar becomes himself again, he will probably be much more resilient to Matt’s telepathy. I.A. and Rapid Cell Regeneration can go a long way into fixing what Matt can do into his brain. Sylar being the king of “playing possum”, Matt could be in deeper trouble than he imagine if the thinks he can put any kind of leash on him once he “gets his body back”.
I can already imagine a scene like Karin mentionned where Sylar threats Matt with Janice and Matt Jr. Matt does his thing, sending the “No. You won’t hurt Janice and the baby” thought, and Sylar smiles and replies “Oooh yes, I will!”
FD… Well we keep hearing how Matt will turn darker, or whatever that quote was. But I do think that Matt will end up working w/him to a point. I dont think that Matt is a bad guy, but we have seen 2 futures where he was “A LITTLE RIGHT OF THE GRAY AREA” if ya know what I mean…?
But fo’real I think he will either be pushed into helping, and by that point, he will be too far involved, and he may loose his family .. whether they leave on there own, or forced into hiding. but if that happens, he will probably feel like, “Well F it they are gone, what’s left to stay true to?” OF COURSE this is JUST my O. Who knows what’ll happen.
And I’m not so sure that Matt didnt know in 5YG that Nathan was evil. I think he had ideas that something was up, maybe he didnt know he was sylar, but he knew SOMETHING was wrong, and he KNEW he was doing EVIL thinkgs! He was HUNTING his own people, and didnt have ANY issues w/killing HRG, and Hanna! So he was def bad in that future. But Matt has always attempted to do the right thing. I think he jsut gets sucked up in the momment, and once he’s to a point, he figures OH WELL….I’m this far in. Ya know?
Oh also… in S1 when Nathan/Sylar & Peter were fighting in that hall, and Pete said, “MY brother cant walk thru walls” then Nathan turned back into SYlar, Matt was right there, they showed him keep looking over at Pete & Sylar, and he was STILL trying to get into the room where Hiro was. So I think he did know to a point. He wasnt shocked when he looked at Syalr & pete.
new s4 sylar and claire promos – only can be watched in US, which i’m not in so is anyone willing to give a recap please ?!?!
http://spoilertv-heroes.blogspot.com/
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@Kari, excellent point about the Sylar/Pete fight in the hallway and you’re 100% right that Matt did look, but wasn’t surprised….I knew there was a detail I couldn’t recollect that made me believe that and it was convenient because regardless let’s say Matt didn’t know who he was, why would Sylar keep Matt alive and not just kill him and take his power? They either had an alliance of some sort and maybe he feels he needs Matt help with his ability to take down the rest…Matt is so valuable as you see whom Arhtur valued to get him regenerated.
Thanks GOTAY!
Well where I live we’ve had some BAD t-storms, and we havent had cable for a few days, so I’ve been watching S1 & S2 like crazy! I noticed that the other day, and wondered myself why he didnt start helping Pete, once he seen SYLAR? hmmm…interesting.
But like i said, I do think Matt is 85% good, but everyone knows that you owuld do anything to keep your family safe, and I think that is probably what starts his path into darkness! I AM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EXCITED!
I wish S3 would hurry up & come out! Last year they released S2 on DVD during August (at least I think it was August) and this year I seen that they arent releasing the S3 DVD til September!!! That’s some BULL!! S4 starts in September…they need to release it in Aug so we can be caught up! Anyone hear anything different than what I have heard??? PLEASE TELL ME!
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