THE HEROES ATTEMPT TO RESCUE THEMSELVES AND OTHERS WITHOUT THE USE OF THEIR POWERS
Matt (Greg Grunberg) goes to extreme measures to extinguish Sylar (Zachary Quinto), who continues to torment him. Elsewhere, HRG. (Jack Coleman) calls in a favor from Tracy (Ali Larter) to save a troubled young boy whose misfortunes resemble her own. While Claire (Hayden Panettiere) and Gretchen (guest star Madeline Zima) are being hazed by their new sorority sisters, they realize pledging might not be their biggest problem. Robert Knepper also stars. Lisa Lackey, Tessa Thompson and Rick Worthy guest stars.
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sooo hrg…possible affair going on back then…i dont like how theyr trying to work all th characters into this ep, THIS IS HIRO’S BIG THING, we have been hoping for this ever since he 1st failed to rescue charlie, but are they bringing hrg to the cafe! why are the planning on bringing up claire!
im fine with samuel, he has a role to nplay there in the past…but hrg and the others, they werent mentioned in the fairytale that turned ugly and now in ‘once upon a time in texas, theyr invading….ok maybe i’m being to harsh, but i just hope the ep focuses around the hiro-charlie-samuel-sylar plotline more than anythign else, i actually would hate it if even mohinder was rbought back for this, im really syced for this episode n there r so many ways it could turn out…
omgg just saw the other sneak peeks, spoilers up ahead here.
- so im guessing hiro saves charlie just when sylar is about to kill her. samuel is getting desperate, he does really care about his fmaily and he needs hiro to fix something in the past for him!
- charlie, wow asfter all this time. the tension is building up so much cuz sylar is looking for her, she is literaly dying, hiro is dying too, samuel is watching from nearby and time is getting shorter. This looks like its gunna be an AMAZING episode!
I concur it’s looks promising. I wouldn’t be too much concerned with HRG “spoiling” it. Masi Oka mentionned in an interview that this episode was a tribute to “The Company Man” which was centered on HRG.
HRG’s storyline should just be there to introduce his ex-co-worker to present time, because I read somewhere that HRG and Lauren both got “Haitianed” to make sure their affair wouldn’t affect their work at the Company, but that they meet again later and realize that “some people are just made to be together” or something.
What I don’t get is Hiro acts like Charlie was his only love interest while he merely befriended her. His actual love interest was in feudal Japan.
My above paragraph wasn’t clear, I meant that Masi said that this episode will be focused on Hiro as much as The Company Man was about HRG. The Company Man is also considered the best episode ever, so this episode will have big shoes to fill.
I have really enjoyed this season so far but i think the ep (once upon) is going to be a maker or a breaker for me, i know we should have faith in the writers but common lets not forget last seasons nightmare. hmmm
On a happier note, i’m soooo excited, my friend makes heroes music vids on youtube and i posted it to James Kyson Lee & he mentioned it on his twitter page.WOOPWOOP!!!
-k-
@alexx, as far Edgar’s knife throwing, I don’t think that’s an ability, only his speed is. They have people like that in Carnivals to this day and it’s more of an acquired skill so I don’t think that’s an ability, which is why I mentioned Monica could copy it. Could be wrong, but we’ll see….I could bring up another incident to negate this fact like Pete instantly learning martial arts on top of Edgars ability after touching him!
Either way, don’t want to dissect the show further…
@F.D., true on the Adam Monroe reference, but did he regenerate after the coffin opened and air hit his lungs as he wasn’t moving at all at 1st…and if so, what was the point of Meredith thinning the air on Claire to show her she does have some vulnerablity?? Either way, small incident…..also, wonder what Samuel will want to use Emma’s power for and damn you F.D…….I keep watching every ep now waiting for Samson Gray to appear as a damn patient!!
LMAO
Peter’s martial arts were probably a side effect of Mohinder’s ability. He was more agile and had endless stamina at that point, so he could practice silly moves that would carry over no matter if he kept the ability or not.
Claire needed air, and so did Adam. Meredith only wanted to show Claire that she was not totally invincible, and that villains would exploit her weaknesses. She wanted Claire to be prepared to every eventualities. It paid off when you consider she exposed the invisible b*tch.
‘What I don’t get is Hiro acts like Charlie was his only love interest while he merely befriended her. His actual love interest was in feudal Japan.’
true, i was thinking that when i head the promo ‘charlie was my heart and when i lost her i lost a part of myself’…so how many parts has he still got to himself…
he never mentioned her nor the japanese girl again through season 2 or 3 (charlie), but im still happy theyr giving him another chance at it. I dont think it will mess up the timeline though n ur right f.d about this new love interest for hrg being brought up in the present.
This episodes looks so intense just because of Samuel’s intervention. It seems Hiro didn’t realize what he got himself into until Sam showed up.
What seemed even more interesting to me with the sneak peek is that Samuel knew every single significant person in the dinner. How the hell does he know everyone, what their role in the history is, and what could happen if Hiro messed up? How does he even know about the cheerleader ? That guy really has a lot of resources.
@F.D. I mean if you think about it, the Carnival is just a nomadic version of the Primatech without the torturous testing of their limits. Even Primatech didn’t have a Time Traveller as Samuel does so they at least want the best for people with abilities. I’m sure Samuel has time travelled before and he knew of all of them and their purpose including Sylar. Maybe as Micah said last season, maybe Sylar is the key to saving them all being the strongest, but we’ll see. I wonder if he ever becomes that future person who learned to control the hunger?? Maybe Samuel knows how to help him curb it?? I know he wants Sylar and he knows of his killing of people with abilities, so Samuel is very confident so best believe he has something up his sleeve if Sylar acts up.
Is it just me are does Samuel have this Magento feel the whole wanting the world to except them even by force.
‘That guy really has a lot of resources.’
tatto lady says it all, besides he knows alla bout claire, having invisible girl chase her.
ratings r up again, close to the premier of this season, the ep after once upon a time…, is out, its called ’shadowboxing’. Any ideas guys?
‘ i will tell you everything i know if you help me save charlie’
hiro…presumably to samuel.
wow if samuel does help hiro, then hiro will fix whatever samuel wants him to fix in the past for him.
i still dont think that charlie will be saved, but i really hope she is. It really will be a minefield.
has anyone seen a nbc “once upon” description yet ? i’m not sure if i’ve posted it on a early thread and really want to what other cast members are on it, we know claire and jackie are but is peter ?
-k-
found it:
HIRO GETS A SECOND CHANCE TO SAVE THE LOVE OF HIS LIFE JAYMA MAYS RETURNS AS CHARLIE.
When Hiro (Masi Oka) travels three years into the past, he has a second chance to save Charlie (guest star Jayma Mays) from the hands of Sylar (Zachary Quinto). However, Samuel’s (Robert Knepper) presence serves to complicate Hiro’s mission even further. Elsewhere, H.R.G.’s (Jack Coleman) past with his Primatech partner (guest star Elizabeth Rohm) is revealed. James Kyson Lee, Hayden Panettiere and Sendhil Ramamurthy also star. Danielle Savre as Jackie, Sally Champlin as Lynette,Dawn Olivieri as Maggie,Jayma Mays as Charlie
hmm no peter but mohinder…thats really weird his first ep is supposed to be no9, oh also sally champlin who play the older waitress is in 2x more eps besides this one but no word on charlie.
-k-
“Dawn Olivieri as Maggie” ok either someone from the heroes side or the nbc really need to proof-read.
-k-
@ kerry, mohinder has been forshadowed last ep, as i’ve said this is kinda hiro’s big ep so im not really surprised about no peter. Mohinder will, i expect appear as a twist at the end of a coming episode. If not this one then perhaps the following one.
So how do you think one will go? will charlie become reoccuring? or will she be saved but not stick around…
Yeah Suresh will prolly show up appear mid-season, and have more screen time in January.
They’re ending this fall with Thanksgiving on nov 23rd where Peter and “Nathan” are reunited at the Petrelli’s house. Can’t wait to see if Nathan actually won the war or if it’s Sylar playing possum again.
Just read on another spoiler site that an “NBC source” said this could be the last season of Heroes.
Disheartening to say the least, although I’ll wait for an official announcement to go cry in a corner (the site in question always has been questionable).
Meanhile let’s just hope they don’t spoil this season. So far it’s been fantastic as far as I’m concerned.
‘They’re ending this fall with Thanksgiving on nov 23rd where Peter and “Nathan” are reunited at the Petrelli’s house. Can’t wait to see if Nathan actually won the war or if it’s Sylar playing possum again.’
wow u sure of that, wait how many eps till then? i would say about 3. now next ep is the charlie ep so no current time sylar stuff there. but then two pure episodes of sylar trying to find his body, i cant picture him being caught again, i like ur idea of him becoming united again and then turning into nathan as a facade.
‘last season of heroes’
hmmm well that goes for ratings, which r steadily increasing as well as high dvd sells.
Is there enough to write about for a 5th season? When it comes to heroes, im gunna say ALWAYS!
ideas:
- a number of the heroes experience the future…
- ando dies and nathans death is revealed causing us to finally get FP and FH going crazy.
- Sylar…his plot is becoming repetitive, I DONT WANT HIM TO GO ANYWHERE, but we have seen a sylar after powers, a sylar after presidency, evil sylar, good sylar, trapped sylar (mentally and physically) and a powerless sylar….what more is there for him?????
Well TBH we saw good sylar only, what, 3minutes? There’s certainly stuff to explore there IMO. Like this Noah kid, who was his mom, etc… which could all be down the drain already if Elle was supposed to be that mom but Hiro screwed everything by digging Adam out and allowing Arthur to get out of his paralysis.
Unless you were talking about the “good…but not quite” Sylar we had for a while in season 3. Yeah I believe they screwed this one. It had potential, but going back to this would feel redundant at this point.
They could then make the NathanSylar. Sylar gets his body back, but remains Nathan not because he plays possum, but because he simply PREFERS Nathan’s life. Having a family, friends, etc, while being special. That’s all he always wanted.
The story possibilities are limitless when you got people who can do anything and go anywhere/anytime.
Anyways if this is the last season, they better give Petter his full power again and pit him against Sylar for an amazing final encounter that we actually get to see this time. And Peter better f*cking win I swear to God I’ll kill thousands of kittens if they kill Peter off at the final episode.
the fact is people always argue about something being to predicatable……but at the end of the day if season 4 was the last season, the main thing i and basicly everyone would want would be peter full powered vs sylar with all old powers back as well…i mean they have fought eachother 4 times now? 1st was short, sylar ‘killed’ peter whilst invisible, second would have been awesome, but we werent allowed to see it, thrid was okay but peter was only just finding himself at kirby plasa…and fourth we were blocked from as well.
i think that season 4 should end setting up a sylar vs peter season 5….really i just dont want heroes to end at all though, rnt there plenty more stories to tell?
Here are a couple ideas I have rattling around in my head:
-Has anyone thought about the origin of Emma’s ability? And does her mother,the doctor who was examining her,have an ability as well? Or was Emma one of the babies that were injected with The Formula so many years ago,and if so,is her mother connected to the whole Coyote Sands ordeal?
-This is kind of a longshot theory,but WHAT IF Sylar gains Hiro’s ability and travels back in time to right some of the wrongs that happened to him,which IMO molded him into the evil person he became? So following that theory,if he utilized his IA to effectively travel through time and change things,without causing negative butterfly effects,then the Sylar we have known from S1 to present,would cease to exist? This would create a possible explanation for that Future Sylar we saw before.
….There are few more theories I am chewing over…I’ll post more once I get them hashed out
@ SageE
“Is it just me are does Samuel have this Magento feel the whole wanting the world to except them even by force.”
I said the same kinda thing (in one of my ‘missing’ comments!), Sam seems to be like the Magneto-type character of the show… he has no love for humans, and everything he does is for/ about ‘his family’ (his people/ mutants/ homo superior/ Specials… whichever way you look at it, it’s the same thing)… Even his power/ control over earth is similar to Magneto’s control over magnetism – how adept he is at using it in various ways, the level of power, how he wields it, etc. And, like ol’ Magnus himself, Samuel is ruthless and has a hidden agenda. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Sam’s goal is ultimately to destroy/ enslave – or SOMEHOW rule over humans – which would enable him and his ‘family’ to be free, to walk anywhere without fear… so they wouldn’t have to hide or ‘live in invisibility’ just to survive.
Just read the comment about ‘possibly the last season of this show… I’m not gonna start fretting unless it’s confirmed. BUT if it is true, ppl, then I hope y’all realise that ANYONE could be for the chop… I’m talking about the character death that is upcoming. It could well be Peter, or Sylar (especially if Nathan wins the ‘epic struggle’)… ALSO consider that Milo has been doing more directing (might want to pursue his career) and ZQ is prob getting more (movie) offers.
ALSO consider this… a lot of us have said that if Peter or Sylar goes, the show is as good as dead!
So, maybe if we look at this in reverse… a main player like Milo or Zach asks to leave/ be written out (read ‘killed off’)… and what with ratings being shaky, and a ‘much loved’ main character going, the powers-that-be have decided that it’s a good time to call it quits…? Or, the speculation of who MIGHT be getting offed could have led to the rumour that the show is gonna end?
Personally, I think that Matt – or maybe HRG – could bite the bullet… but it does raise an eyebrow (no not Sylar’s lol!) as to how they can make such a bold move as killing a ‘much loved’ character (their words, not mine) when ratings-wise, they are already in deep doodoo. PLUS, weren’t there rumours at the end of last season that PETER was gonna get killed, and Haydn didn’t want to work with him/ share screen time with him or something? I’m just sayin’… maybe this is something that has been in the works for a while… we don’t know.
Hopefully I’m on the completely wrong track… Heroes will continue up until Season _ (insert your own number here), Peter and Sylar (and HRG!) are going nowhere, and that usually unreliable spoiler site proves to be unreliable YET AGAIN
. Saying that, if this is the last season, don’t y’all think Peter getting his powers back JUST before the show is axed would be takin’ the piss, just a bit? 
@ sk74. cuz of the ‘deleted comments’ havent say hey in a while!
Nope not noah, they said its gunna be someone with an ability.
Point. If this is the last season then if all the characters died in the last ep it wouldnt matter to the ratings….and we know how heroes, or should i say, the writers, love to kill off characters.
@ pancakes
‘then the Sylar we have known from S1 to present,would cease to exist? This would create a possible explanation for that Future Sylar we saw before.
….There are few more theories I am chewing over…I’ll post more once I get them hashed out’
I have a big flaw and problemw ith heroes when they do stuff like that (if). here is why, its quite complex.
- If the sylar the we know now (present sylar) went back in time and stopped Past Sylar from doing his wrongs, taught him how to control his hunger and not to be evil and then left….this is what would happen:
Our present sylar would have completely changed the timeline and he would have done a ‘future peter/future hiro’. Therefore our present sylar, this is the one we have now, would become the ‘Future sylar’ and past sylar from before seaon 1, would become present sylar.
Do you understand this so far?
So now because the NEW SYLAR, the one from the past that is now the present, wouldnt kill and end up doing what he did, he would never turn into the sylar from ‘redemption’. Therefore that sylar would have never existed.
As our redemption sylar never existed, NO ONE EVER WENT BACK IN TIME!
do you understand this?
If sylar was never made evil he could never go back in time and unevil himself, therefore when our redemption sylar went back….ITS A PARADOX
im not overcomplicating this, heroes would do it and not think twice about it but it is logically incorrect, sk74 f.d gotchay and everyone else here that i have mentioned, this is so complicated and we really try to understand it but to quote someone from heroestelevision.com who’s name i forgot but still remember his line
‘this is why timetravel would never be possible’
thats my opinion too, you can travel forward. Cryogenic freezing pretty much solves that (if it was possible), but you cant actuall time travel backwards.
sylar would have gone back and changed himself, that changed self would have never had become the one that went back n therefore no sylar ever went back cuz it didnt exist and therefore past sylar was never changed….
you can question what would happen if hiro of sylar did try to go back, n heroes would give us a scenario like we have had with FP and FH, but i just dont see how it is possible.
THIS DOESNT MAKE ME RIGHT, MAYBE IM JUST MISSING SOMETHING
sorry if i sound all knowing before, im not, im just trying to understand something that doesnt make any sence.
when future hiro fixed the timeline, did his timeline fade? r there parralel universes with differnt timelines?
does kaitlins timeline, synthetic powers, and big boom timeline still exist? cuz if so what was the point of going back, nothing was changed for themselves, only another.
to summarise:
this has been a long post to express and ask for help to my conclusion of timetravel.
If you have gotten thrrough it all and know the solution, i am more than happy to hear!
My solution is to go with either karin, sk, fd or gotchay
‘this is why timetravel would never be possible’
i’ll always remember that quote when it comes to sci-fi.
@ alexx
“If sylar was never made evil he could never go back in time and unevil himself, therefore when our redemption sylar went back….ITS A PARADOX”
“sylar would have gone back and changed himself, that changed self would have never had become the one that went back n therefore no sylar ever went back cuz it didnt exist and therefore past sylar was never changed….”
W’sup bro! Looks like the gag has been removed (as long as this comment shows up!
)…
Anyway, you nearly confused even me with the above explanations lol! But yes, you’ve hit the nail on the head… Basically, going back in time and altering ANYTHING which negates the reason for you going back in the first place is a paradox. As you said, if Sylar went back and stopped Gabriel Gray from turning evil (i.e. becoming Sylar in the first place), then Sylar would not exist… therefore that person that no longer exists cannot go back in time to stop Gabriel Gray from turning evil… therefore GG will turn evil and become Sylar.
Just to complicate things even more (I’m feeling kinda evil myself today
) it also works (or doesn’t work? Depends how you look at it) if Sylar went back and killed his past self… would he cease to exist? If so, who then came back in time to kill him? PARADOX!!!
As for alternate timelines, I’m not even gonna get started on that right now… I’ll save it for an ‘alternate post’, haha.
@ allex & sk:
I get what you are saying about it creating a possible paradox,and perhaps I wasn’t clear enough with my theory. My point in all of that was,if Sylar took those actions,then maybe HE…not Parkman,Peter,Hiro,Noah,Mohinder,The Haitian,or anyone else we’ve theorized,maybe Sylar will be the one to die. But if done in this fashion,Gabriel Gray could live on. By Sylar going back in time and changing the circumstances that molded him into what he is today,would cause the entity we know as Sylar to cease to exist. No Sylar,only Gabriel Gray would live! In a way,that is how he is existing at this moment,as two entities,Sylar in Parkman’s body and Gabriel Gray with Nate’s memories. This “tabula rasa” Sylar that resides at the Carnival now,appears to be strongly against his past and what he did. In a way that wasn’t really him,that was “the hunger” that killed those people,Sylar is the killer,Gabriel Gray is a victim of Sylar’s in a way too,and Sylar IS the embodiment of “the hunger”. So perhaps “Sylar” took over Gabriel Gray in the same way he took over Parkman? What if one of the things that had the biggest impact on turning Gabriel into Sylar was him witnessing Samson murdering his mother,and he went back and killed Samson before he could do that? Yes,any significant act in the past could cause present Sylar to no longer be,but that would fix the problem! If Sylar never came to be,there would be no reason to change the past in respects to him. So I’m thinking Sylar will die,and we’ll be left with Gabriel Gray the Hero.
Did that make a little more sense this time?
@ sleazy. Its not ur fault at all. By heroes standards, sylar can easily go back, kill himself and everything works out fine. Changing his past self worked for Future peter and Future hiro didnt it?
However i cannot logically see how it is possible.
If i were to invent a time machine ang go back in time, i can tell you right now that i WOULD NOT encounter myself. To keep it simple, here is why:
- either, once there i would decide not to do it for some reason or another.
- or i would be killed or delayed in the process.
The reason for this is, i could not go back and meet myself because i have no memory of it. Like in harry potter with the timeturners…im going by the bad film here ok? the 3rd one, he threw a rock threw the window to hit his ‘past self’ to encourage his past self to leave the house. Earlier in the film, someone hit him with a rock to encourage him to leave the house…do you see?
- he had the memory of that close encounter, but he wouldnt of gone back in time and met his past self because he has already done that!
OMMMGM I FINALLY JUST GOT IT! MATRIX QUOTE
‘YOU ALREADY MADE THAT DECISION AND NOW YOPU HAVE COME HERE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHY YOU MADE IT’
its the fate topic again isnt it? the ’sealed in stone’ arguament….except we arent saying that nathan has to become president….no this is something different, somethjing more.
ok. If THE past and present and future are all set, they are unchangeable. If you knew that you were going to go somewhere tomorrow. You couldnt change that like in the matrix reloaded when trinity tries not to enter the matrix but because of that whole ‘trying not to’ she enters in the specific style as shown in the vision whereas if she had of not tryied not to, it would all be different.
However, if i knew that some how i ended up in oxford street tomorrow, i may just may be able to change that from happening.
hold on a sec im really getting somewhere here, so having powers, such as knowing the future, means that you can change it, hence the bomb, or the shanti virus, or the powers future.
but now im getting sidetracked from my ’simple point’. to to make it in 1 clear line:
you cannot go back in time and successfully meet yourself as otherwise you would have a memory of metting your future self before you became that self and travelled back to meet a past version of yourself.
wait so actually that solves it, doesnt it? timetravel is possible but only if u do what the one before you did, the one from the timeline ahead of you.
so i couldnt timetravel back to yesterday cuz yesterday i never met a future self. However if my mind was wiped yesterday then i could have done.
sometimes its easier just to summarise in one line
‘this is the reason why timetravel would never be possible (my own extention here) and why it will always be science fictional full of plot holes’
@ sleazy, on ur sylar theory, by heroes standards its easily possible.
IF we lived in a world where people never aged and heroes was the most popular world wide show. They could show us heroes if sylar had gone back and made his past self good.
There would be no hunt for the cheerleader, peters power may have only ever been able to work when around others, peter wouldnt have exploaded as he wouldnt have had to meet ted sprague…..BTW WHILE IM ON THAT
MASSIVE HEROES THING, SUBTLE HINT!!!
when watching season 1 a while ago i noticed peter saying ‘maybe ill go to the nevada desert’ when he was afraid of himself exploading (he didnt have teds power then)
well ted was in the nevada desert as the time!
if peter had of gone there to avoid exploading, he would have sure met ted and as a reverse affect of trying to run away, he would have run into ted.
DOES THIS NOT SHOW HOW THE FUTURE IS AS I HAVE ALWAYS SAID ‘SEALED IN FABRIC’
when and where peter exploaded could change. he exploaded in the sky rather than on the ground’. but by staying where he was or running away, he would have still have taken teds power and exploaded anyway.
Finally a good example of proof to back up my fabric theory….the claire being brunette and peters scar and nathans politics werent such strong ones.
APPLAUSE.
-A-
I was just thinking about how sylar is gunna play his cards.
If he gets his body back and completely eliminates nathan…
he could go on rampage, kill carnival and take powers, kill petrellis and noah and aim for presidecy thus beginning the war of powers, everyone comes out of hiding, heroes vs villains.
or he could shafeshift into nathans body and act as though he is nyler again despite being sylar. Angela and Hrg would be convinced, peter would never know, and as for matt….well one main character with a power from season 1 that is male is gunna die…
i think if sylar takes option b, it would opeen up a similar to 5 years gone scenario where sylar is nathan in disguise and is president. fabric theory, nathan and sylar both wanted to become president at some point, if he goes back to his invisible thread aims, this is what will happen. the only difference is his relationshiip with claire.
maybe he will shafeshift into someone else and try to start a relationship with claire?
as for the carnival, when sylar reunited (if), he will either kill the best of them (definetly edgar) or perhaps just leave them be…maybe samuel will encourage sylar to go for presidency?
anyway i wonder what his aims will be if he reunites:
- revenge?
- presidency?
- claire?
- stay with carnival?
what do you guys think?
@ alexx:
Thanks,but I didn’t think I said anything wrong or thought something was my fault. But with my whole theory,I wasn’t saying that Sylar could go back in time to kill himself,I meant he could change events/bad things that happened to him that made him gradually darker and more sinister over time. I don’t think he should interact with his past self at all,just change what was going on around him so that there were not so many negative influences/impacts on his development.
‘Thanks,but I didn’t think I said anything wrong or thought something was my fault.’
nooo i didnt mean that…well basicly what i was trying to say to one line it
- If sylar changed the past revolving around himself, then his past self would never grow into the sylar that chose to go back in time. Therefore sylar would have never gone back in time and also nothing would have changed.
The responce to that is…’but he did go back!’
both are true. Its a paradox. Like in futurama when they realise that the box they have contains their own universe. It means that they themselves are in the box. They are both outside and inside the box.
well if sylar went back, he would change things so that in the end in fact he wouldnt go back, and because he wouldnt go back, nothing would have changed.
my guess is that if he did go back……i actually cant give you an answer for that. but yeah by heroes standards he could easily go back and change his past self, get ready to rewatch season1 one of heroes as season 5, except with no bad sylar.
sorry it ws a gd theory and maybe im wrong about it being a paradox, im just not intelligent enough to make sence of it, and to be honest is anyone? i have written maybe 4 comments on this timetravel, four long confusing comments, its still a box inside another box that i cant understand.
the conclusion of it would be that sylars character gets lost in a timetravel sequence where he goes back, it works. therefore it doesnt work cuz of no sylar travelling back….and that would go on whilst heroes continues with the other characters.
sylar would essentially die like kaitlin, she never ‘died’ but she did. if u can understand that. its saying that something is there and it isnt there. it makes perfect sence and no sence. im going to have dinner now and im not going to….jks about that last one, but seriously
‘it makes perfect sence and it makes no sence…and yet that like makes sence and makes no sence’
that could continue as repetition, just like the sylar plot line would. HEY I FINALLY CRACKED IT…i think? repetition for eternity.
testing to see if my comment is going thru.
-k-
i’m gettin p***ed off, why is it that normal talk is getting thru on here but spoilers aren’t ?
-k-
right that is it go on the site below,
new trailer “once upon” with new footage hiro/sylar/charlie and “brother keepers” offical description.
http://heroesspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/
could someone please copy the “brother keepers” bit on here plz.
-k-
@sk The article discussing the possible ending have the “source” say that the show has its loyal fan base. Ending this show by killing Peter off would be a big “F you” to their most hardcore fans. Everyone has been waiting for that final Peter vs Sylar encounter where Peter makes Sylar pay for all the crap he has done since season one.
We all want to see a big, spectacular fight with enough special effects budget for a whole season. I don’t want to over-analyze, but making Peter die on this one would piss a lot of fans of, who might turn their back to any of Kring’s future work.
NBC denied executives are talking about ending the show at this point.
You can read the original (updated) article here :http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/6824
thx kerry can always rely on you there.
what i got from that:
hiro: i will tell you everything i know.
sylar: not probable.
is hiro about to **** up the past big time?
or is he gunna strike a deal with sylar
‘i will tell you where the cheerleader is if you promise not to kill charlie’
maybe through hiro sylar infs out where claire is and peter stops him, maybe that is how it happens? maybe hiro interviens…
so tracy gets injured, hmm see i thought that she turned to water when she was attacked? when edgar attacked her she had no time to protext herself and yet did passively?
im happy tht heroes isnt goin anywhere f.d and i wonder if we will get what we have really waited for, tomorrow evening…for me anyway.
Hiro could tell Sylar about Claire? This wouldn’t change anything to the history since Sylar would’ve known about her anyway. I think it was because of Mendez (who we’re supposed to see tonight btw).
This could be Hiro’s card for him to save Charlie without altering the future too much, since he never used her ability other than in a GN anyway.
In an interview, Masi said we’ll get to see what happened “behind the scene” during the episode where Jackie(?) got killed by Sylar. This leads me to believe that nothing is going to be significantly changed.
‘I think it was because of Mendez (who we’re supposed to see tonight btw).’
omg now im even more syced!
charlie in a gn? i only started reading them around end of villains, i only started watching heroes before villains started actually, a friend told me about an amazing show called heroes and here i am having watched every episode maybe 3 times over lol.
jakie huh? i always thought there was nothing more to it then
boom one cheerleader goes flying to th other end of the room
tk cutting- oh wait the other girls healed
jackie: run
claire: running
was there really any more to jackies part?
so tell me about charlies ability could save her?
on the topic of gn’s, did anyone ever read the “saving charlie” book? i know a proper author penned the book but tim kring did over-see it.
right if charlie was saved that would mean hiro never went back 6 months earlier so he would be around when peter showed up, what if they all went to homecoming and sylar killed charlie there ? … hmm although how many of us would go off with 3 starngers after just one day of knowing them, ecspecially when your told ones a time traveller, an empath and its there mission to save a young girl. hmmm.
-k-
oh but peters not in this one yet they still go to the high school, ugh this is making my head spin.
-k-
OH YEAH! i forogt about ’saving charlie’ but the problem with it was that it is just an extended version of what happens…i skipped to halfway n found that it was hiro just arriving at the cafe, the end is like him teleporting back…was it any gd?
Right i’m off to bed, i tell you the building up of all are theories has really got me excited about “once upon”. Talk to you all in about 13hrs.
-k-
lool exactly the same with me, this could be one of the closest episodes we will ever get to a season 1 ep….in a number of hours im gunna be quoting myself in addition to reviewing the next epiosde promo, commenting of mohinder refrences and complaining about…maybe how claire use to have an ok role but sucks now.
final prediction:
- hiro and sylar make an agreement, hiro will tell him where to find the cheerleader, sylar will not kill charlie.
- Hiro will not propperly save charlie, whether sylar kills her regardless or she decides to go on a tour of the world without him, she will not become his regular.
- samuel will make hiro some sort of proposition, the sneak peek’s show that he needs hiro now more than ever!
see you all tomorrow and i really hope im gunna be positive after our ‘3 year’ as they call it, wait.
Once apon a time in texas, will it end happily ever after, or will sylar ‘understand’ things a bit too well…
alex out…
@ SleazyPancakes 10.31.09 at 7:45 pm
“By Sylar going back in time and changing the circumstances that molded him into what he is today,would cause the entity we know as Sylar to cease to exist. No Sylar,only Gabriel Gray would live!”
This would still cause a paradox, my friend, so I couldn’t see it happening! I completely understand what you’re trying to say, but if – like you yourself say above -SYLAR goes back in time to change circumstances, then that same being (SYLAR) that goes back in time would never exist… only Gabriel Gray would live on. So that means that SYLAR would no longer exist, and therefore COULD NOT go back in time in the first place BECAUSE HE DOESN’T EXIST, which means that NOBODY went back in time to change any circumstances… which means that Gabriel Gray would still become Sylar.
Now, if SOMEBODY ELSE changed the circumstances that created Sylar, then that might stick (but probably create a Butterfly)… depending on certain conditions. For instance, say if a time traveller only discovered their ability BECAUSE of Sylar, then by going back in time to stop GG becoming Sylar they will be altering their own history as well… coz if Sy doesn’t exist to awaken their power, they might never discover it and therefore wouldn’t go back in time in the first place!
Wow last night was a good episode i love how Hiro was able to get sylar to help without really destorying the future also now that looks like samuel did kill one of the beloved Heroes I wonder how he plans to fix it this is really getting good hopefully there will be another season. and to sk74 yea it really does seem like Samuel is magneto because like you said he does have a hatered for humans.
DAAAAAAMMMMMNNN!!!
Just watched Once Upon… that was quite an impressive ep! On first viewing tho, I’m still a bit confused about what exactly happened (i.e. if there would/ should have been butterflies or repercussions as a result of Hiro’s actions) but I’m sure I’ll get to overanalyse when I watch it again lol!
Good to see that Hiro managed to hold his own against Sylar… even getting him to help with the cause. And it was a nice touch, how they brought in ‘Future Hiro’… the way that he put on the serious persona when talking to ‘Past Hiro’ was a clever bit of writing/ characterisation – in a way, it was bringing back the FutureHiro of S1 (”where’s the sword?” NICE!
) which of course, in the past, is what our PresentHiro is!
I got the feeling that near the end – when Sylar looked at his ‘black hat’ (which is “what bad guys wear”)… this was a moment when he could have discarded the hat – and thus his ‘badness’ – and completely changed his path, based on Hiro’s words. In other words, knowing that he would still die – and alone at that – no matter how strong he became, he could have abandoned his quest, possibly even tried to be a good guy. Only problem with that is, then he wouldn’t have been the dangrous serial killer, history would have changed too drastically… and everything would go ‘kablooey’. So he put on the cap (I guess it fit so well that he HAD to wear it) and continued on his dark path. Seems like a brilliant way to imply that there will be no major butterflies resulting from saving Charlie.
One thing I can see though… Didn’t Sylar originally use Charlie’s ability to memorise Chandra Suresh’s list of Specials? That was how he found Zane Taylor (?) the artist that could ‘melt’ things, after Mohinder destroyed the list and evidence of their whereabouts, but I’m not sure if he memorised the names and locations of anyone else. So how does THAT work now?
BTW @ alexx… your prayers have been answered LOL! But it’s a pity that the first shot of Mo this season is of him lying dead (he was dead, wasn’t he?)… Well, we know he’s gonna be in an upcoming ep at the Carnival (apparently) so I’m guesing that Hiro fixes the past for Sam, or at least some part of the past that allows Mo to live. At least we know why he hasn’t been around so far this season, if he was killed ‘8 weeks ago’… and also why Matt couldn’t contact him last ep.
Looks like Mo uncovered something sinister about the Carnival or Sam, etc. which is why they crossed paths. Maybe Mo’s dad found something out in his research?
As for the HRG-Lauren subplot, it was interesting to see that he was tempted, but stayed loyal to his fam (specifically, Sandra). I wonder if he’s kicking himself now though, considering the state his marriage is in? I mean, c’mon lads… Lauren or Sandra? Do I even need to ask?!?
But seriously… from a moral viewpoint, of course he did the right thing. From a selfish viewpoint… he was F***ING CRAZY not to take up that offer! 
Oh well, maybe she’ll pop up in the present, now that Sandra has [possibly] got herself some new company, man (see what I did there?), and he’ll have a second chance to get his swerve on with his Company Woman.
Gotta say, this season is going from strength to strength
I’m still confused about why HRG still wonders how Sylar looks like. Either he doesn’t know that Sylar is Gabriel Gray (who he camped with Elle to study his case) or the Company Haïtianed him for some reason.
I’m not screaming “plot hole!” however, because it IS consistent with season one. I’m just confused with the chronology of the episode in which Noah camped Sylar and asked Elle to tease him with Trevor.
Another thing stroke my mind is that Sylar is supposed to be smart. Hiro warning him he’d die because they’d gang up on him should’ve made Sylar think about teaming with other villains, essentially kablooey’ing the future.
So Samuel killed Mohinder, and we’ll certainly learn why in the coming weeks. Why would his father researches lead him to the Carnival? Perhaps there were other survivors at Coyote Sands that started the Carnival similarly to how Angela and co. started the Company.
Samuel’s ambiguity is phenomenal. He seemed to care a lot about Arnold, but didn’t hesitate to sacrifice him to save Mohinder’s life. He killed Mo… but seemed sincerely sorry about it.
But Hiro can’t save Mohinder… if he does, then Samuel won’t need to manipulate him, he won’t need to stress Arnold this much, he won’t feel the need to go 3years ago and help Hiro save Charlie, and he won’t need to trap Charlie. Perhaps he won’t even put Hiro on his “path”, so Ando will never marry Kimiko. Damn, writers have us started again on continuum incongruities.
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