The next week’s Episode 4×11 The Fifth Stage on November 30th will be the last episode before the Winter Hiatus.
SAMUEL STARTS TO SEE HIS VISION TAKE SHAPE
H.R.G. is greeted by some unexpected visitors and Samuel’s grand plan begins to come to fruition. Meanwhile, Peter struggles to accept the truth and takes extreme measures to get what he wants. Elsewhere, Claire’s journey leads her to an unexpected destination.
Unexpected visitors greet H.R.G.; Samuel’s plan starts to come to fruition; struggling to accept the truth, Peter takes extreme measures to get what he wants; Claire’s journey leads her to an unexpected destination.
Heroes is scheduled to return with a two hour (I assume two one hour chapters) episode on January 4th
Thanks to SycloneFX, we now have the trailer for the November 30 episode:
NBC Photo: Milo Ventimiglia (”Peter Petrelli), Adrian Pasdar (”Nathan Petrelli”)
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aww, 3 days left till the double feature. im sure tho that the irst one isnt going to be very action packed as the usual episodes are. i mean why else would NBC bless us with two episodes of the show we all know and love with a passion? i mean dont get me wrong i will love them both equally and consider it a peace offering for making us wait so long for it anyway.
As for “Lost” the smoke monster, jacob, and the crazy time swap scenrio i can just see it now….
Locke running through the jungle screaming “get away , GET AWAY ITS BEHIND ME!!” suddenly he runs into sawyer and you can see the scared look in his eye, he dashes out of the way just as the smoke monster rushes past him as if it were singleing someone out. locke makes it to the beach where kate and jack are at gun point with a few members of the DI (Dharma Initative) everyone turns to stand in awe as the see the giant smoke monster hovering above them. Kate lets out a yelp when suddenly Sylar, peter, and Emma appear out of nowhere. Jack yells “WHAT THE HELL???” sylar using his Tk takes control of the beast while emma uses the sound of the ocean to send wave after waver of lazers to attack it, peter then anonuces Another mess we had to clean up thanks to hiro and his tumor.”
ok i know this would NEVER happen but come on who wouldnt be sitting on the edge of their seat LAUGHING till they cried! to make it all better…
Hiro Nakamura appears with Samuel and says “ok darth Vader now put the emporer in his grave” samuel opens a small hole in the beach and sylar pushes the smoke monster through it. samuel then burries it for good. when everyone decides to have a nice meal and explain what the hell just happen you see a volley ball with a red hand print wash up on shore and then the credits role….
ok you cant thell me that dont win some kind of reward, enjoy the new year and im happy being one of the nominees
l@ sk
lol just joking with my temporary new screen name lol.
Interesting sk…but meradith turned on her power whenever she walked into a room whether she was stressed or not so.
To state the obvious:
You are either born with the special genetic code or you are not. Your powers can often and likely be triggered by a full solar eclipse. However, they can also be caused by masses of adrenalin (maya, nathan in car, invisible girl).
THAT IS WHAT WE KNOW SO FAR anyway.
i just realised something…
PLOT HOLE ALERT!
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- Okay so hopefully the above caught your attention. Plot hole alert:
In season 1, Ando and Hiro go to I think it is vegus, where ando wants to help a woman that is fake crying…in the process ando and hiro seperate with ando following hiro secretly. ando is able to knockout a guard that didnt see him there and hiro and ando teleport to the 5YG future.
However this season as Ando and Kimiko got together, ando may have tried to help the woman…but certainly would not have gone that far…’me and kimiko have been together for years’ so therefore ando didnt help the woman, they went to linderman together. hiro climbed up stole the sword and security seeing both ando and hiro didnt get knocked out, so therefore the entire future changed as did following events?
PLOT HOLE?
Happy New Years peeps!!!
@every1
hmm looking at the vid again, looks like hiro just encrypted although maybe he does not know it – he seems to know everything around him and whats happened.
@clark
well let me tell you that we can expect a few more doubles, infact every monday should now be a double cos of the games, the final is on feb 8th.
-k-
Hiro getting his mind screwed up again, no matter which way, is a big disappointment to me.
He was JUST beginning to become less annoying, more aware of his power, and more “heroic”. Now he’s retarded again… sigh.
I want badass Hiro! Moronic Hiro is getting old.
charlie dying = possibility of badass hiro.
We can only hope.
does heroes come out this cominbg tuesday?
Because he restores memories, it looks like Damien – The Carnival’s ‘Jamaican Haitian’ – has brought some of Hiro’s other memories to the forefront of his mind, effectively pushing other memories (such as Charlie’s predicament) to the ‘back of his mind’. I’m betting that Hiro’s current memory of Charlie is like trying to remember a dream once you’ve woken up, but the more you try the more it seems to fade into the subconcious. I’m just sayin’, the importance of saving Charlie (again) is still buried in there somewhere… but prob just as a lingering sub-thought for the moment.
And I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if that’s how it will stay, coz as I’ve said so many times, I can’t see there being a happy ending to the ‘Chiro/ Harlie’ fairytale.
I could be wrong, but it looks like Charlie has been Kaitlin’d!!!
LOL… So, so far this season:
- Danko got Haitianed…
… Charlie was Kaitlin’d…
… Hiro’s been Jamaican’d…
… and it’s-been-a-helluva-long-time-now-coz-surely-the-writers-know-what-a-majority-of-fans-want-which-is-Peter-getting-his-power-back-but-yet-we’re-still-waitin’-in-anticipation.
(And. oh yeah… ‘Nathan’ got Nathan’d – BEFORE the duration!)
@ alexx
It’s possible butterfly effects like the situations you described above that makes it hard to believe that there have only been minimal repercussions/ butterflies.
Especially since from S1 there has been the underlying theme of “Everything is connected”… to me this means characters AND events. So singling out any event in ANY of our heroes lives and changing it would have an effect on characters connected to that event… which would have an effect on the characters that they connect/ interact with… which would effect characters that THEY interact with… and so on, etc. THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT!
Ando having Kimiko in his life would have altered so many other things. For a start, in addition to the scenario you presented above, would Ando have even gone down a path that ended up with him getting a power?
i suppose @ sk, i suppose we just have to accept that it all worked out in the end. Sylar still went after claire despite the prediction, ando still went to help that girl…maybe hiro felt ando wasnt being fair to kimiko and left…ando followed after…save principle.
On the topic of Charlie. There is hope…as much hope as seeing claude again. When they kill a potential special like elle, they are gone, in my opinion claude is gone just as much as elle, but he still appears now and then in the gn’s and there is hope that one day the writers will bring him back. There is no hope for elle, yet i know all about time travel and cb, but i dont see them attempting it to be honest….and illusions could work to if they wanted to bring her back…
charlie now has been given an exuse for not appearing for the next 10 eps…like mhoinder ‘working on his fathers research’.
i am annoyed at the repetitivness of the writers:
- depower. (sylar, peter, hiro)
- mindwipe.(hiro, hiro…probably hiro a third time, peter, sylar….)
- kill. (I WONT EVEN START)
- write out. (claire, molly….wait did i say claire! no we can only dream)
still while this hiro plot line lks interesting, how many times has he…okay im actually gunna do it.
- he lost his powers 99% up until 5yg.
- mindwiped by arther.
- depowered by arther.
- jamacian-haitened.
and thats just what i can remember not counting all of his ‘moron hiro acts’.
still i wonder what this one will show.
charlie has been kaitlined…however PETER *********************** REMEMBERS KAITLIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PETER REMEMBERS KAITLIN!
PETER KNOWS HIRO!
PETER TAKES TIMETRAVEL AND RESCUES KAITLIN ‘ THE FATE OF THE WOMAN YOU LOVE IS…….’ HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I MISCORRECTLY QUOTED THAT!
HE HAS BEEN BUSY…..BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL HIS MONTHES OFF IN BETWEEN THE SEASONS! KAITLIN!
so yes charlie has been kaitlined…only peter still remembers that he has to save her, hiro doesnt….damn sometimes peter’s stupidy/writer plot holes do really annoy me!
She was irish and ireland is next to england….and also she was more interesting than simone, emma….
anyway.
sorry about that, every few weeks whenever someone mentioned ‘kaitlin’ i react as sk does to ‘cb’. lol!
On the flipside, changing Ando’s life might have been done a bit sloppily, but I must admit I like the way they TRIED to cover the bases with regards to saving Charlie, and it seems that the tape/ Dr. Suresh situation is flawless.
With Charlie, there are flaws in there: original timeline, Hiro came back dejected coz he couldn’t save her – and he told this to Ando. But this time around, she never got killed, and Ando saw her at the cafe before she got taken by Samuel. WTF? But won’t OriginalMoronHiro walk in eventually, saying that he couldn’t save her or something? In fact – to repeat an earlier post I made – OMH originally saw Charlie’s body, but this time around he was simply TOLD to go back to save her by CowboyHiro. Significant difference.
But ANYWAY… They did TRY to make it all make sense, as shown by Hiro realising that if he didn’t do certain things, the sequence of events would make the world go kablooey (so he went to get Sylar back from the bus) etc. But I like the way that Charlie was snatched almost immediately – which means she couldn’t affect the timeline by her actions JUST LIKE WHEN SHE WAS DEAD IN THE ORIGINAL TIMELINE. Although it’s obvious that coz she didn’t die, she DID affect things in a different way (no mourning, etc for other characters).
But with Mo and the Tape, Hiro SWITCHING the tape was such a simple yet smart move… PLOTHOLE AVOIDED! Suresh would have been none the wiser. And saving Mo but putting him well out of the way where he couldn’t affect the course of events over those 8 wks… well, that was about the only thing that Hiro could do. THE MONROE SOLUTION! Mo got Monroe’d (I’ll have to come up with a new rhyme now, dammit!) I can’t see any butterflies being born out of that plotline really.
alexx, when I say Charlie has been K’d (don’t want to set you off again lol!) I just mean that she’s been stranded somewhere in time and no-one can currently get to her for whatever reason… and that, I suspect, it might stay that way.
Of course, as long as Charlie isn’t in the FUTURE (which can still change depending on the course of events in the present) then she can always be rescued. But if she IS in the future, and it changes drastically due to present actions, then she is in the exact same predicament that Kait*** was in – and I wouldn’t expect to see her again at all, she would be as good as lost to this reality.
The Irish lass IMO is a lost cause… she was stranded in the Virus future, and unless reality actually CHANGED around her (which would place her in THIS reality but in the future), she is probably STILL in THAT scenario, which would mean that her reality exists AS well as the reality we’re seeing now. In other words, ALTERNATE timeline.
Now, as I’ve mentioned before… ATM we don’t have/ know of any characters that can travel thru different dimensions/ realities. If such a character crops up, then there MIGHT be a way to get Miss K back. Until then, face it, she’s G-G-GONE!
Erm… dunno if I’d say she was more interesting than either Simone OR Emma tho… at least Simone had links with the at-the-time super-mysterious Linderman, and some people STILL wonder if she had a power (and she was HOT and tasty like pepper sauce mate!
)… Emma might be a bit annoying, and plays the piano FAR too much for someone who could be saving lives 
but I’m intrigued by her power more than anything. What does Sam want her for? What exactly CAN she do???
I’m sorry, but Kaity (!) didn’t do much except question Peter about stuff that he couldn’t even remember in the first place!
Ok, that might have been a bit harsh, but she was JUST Pete’s love interest… The most that I actually cared about her was WHEN she was stuck in that future… that’s when she became really interesting for me.
If only Peter could lose Katie in an alternate reality for real, he’d be saving the world and doing us ALL a favour.
I’m talking about Mr. Andre & Ms. Price of course…
(Sorry, ppl, couldn’t resist that one… but she really DOES need to GET LOST!)
‘Mo but putting him well out of the way where he couldn’t affect the course of events over those 8 wks… ‘
- to say it short and simple, why not take him back to the present a.k.a his future?
- concerning kaitlin…she could always find the carnival and therefore their timetraveller assuming they and her havent died of the shanti virus in the world.
however, that world may well have been ‘deleted’ so to speak. or maybe it is now a parallel universe which would make FP and future hiro’s actions of timetravelling back useless and they themselves would not be affected…
anyway i wonder wt the gn tomorrow will be based on…heroes comes out in a week right?
If so there should be a proper promo out now?
sylar/hiro/ando/mohinder spoiler trailer:
http://heroesspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/2010/01/nfl-in-game-heroes-banner-reveals.html
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nbc new footage trailer for tomorrows eps:
http://heroesspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/2010/01/episode-4×1213-upon-this-rocklet-it.html
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Tim Kring Interview For Rest Of Season:
Most simply said, what do viewers have to look forward to during these next six episodes?
“Our big bad this year is this carnival and what it represents – the whole idea of “Can you live in the real world out in the open?” Samuel’s plan to expose the entire world to these people starts to really crank up and build to a crescendo.”
Samuel said that Claire is not the one he’s truly after. How soon does it become evident who he is targeting?
“He’s had a complicated relationship with Claire’s father, Noah, and there are things he wants because of that. I think that becomes apparent pretty quickly.”
And we’ll also find out what specifically Samuel is looking to avenge?
“It’s not so much about what he wants to avenge, but the underlying motive for his slow descent into megalomaniacal insanity is revealed in Episodes 15 and 16 (airing January 11 and 18).”
I’ve loved Robert Knepper since ‘Prison Break,’ and he’s been doing a terrific job here.
“He’s one of those actors that brings a lot with him. When we first started talking about the part, he tried on different costumes, different looks with makeup and hair, and then he worked on the accent… It was a long, thought-out process to become this character. He also has tremendous chemistry with everybody he is on screen with. It’s like how it was with Jack Coleman and Zach Quinto, where their parts started out not nearly as big as they became but grew because the actor brought so much to it.”
What kind of transformation might Claire undergo now that she is embedded at the carnival?
“Well, a certain reality is going to set in when she sees that something more nefarious is going on here than she thought. Like with any cult, you get pulled in, but then you hopefully see the reality under the surface. She’s been lured in, and the arc of it now is her figuring out what to do now that she’s there.”
Will Peter, in the wake of finally losing Nathan (played by Adrian Pasdar), seek out Claire?
“That’s a pretty good analysis, yes. They do share a connection to Nathan as quasi peers, so they’re able to sort of bond over the loss of their brother and father. When those stories start to collide, we have a couple of episodes with the two of them together.”
One theory out there is that Peter will round up the heroes for a big showdown against Samuel and the carny folk.
“OK, but remember: Samuel has no power unless he is surrounded by other people. So in some ways it’s about getting people away from him as opposed to bringing people towards him.”
What’s ahead for Hiro, Ando and Suresh?
“Hiro is going to get sidelined by his medical issue, so we are finally going to deal with that in Episode16. His quest is also to find Charlie (played by Jayma Mays, ‘Glee’) – and unfortunately she’s on another show! [Laughs] But we will finally deal with that in the season finale (airing February 8), when Charlie and Hiro are reunited.”
Will Sylar serve a definitive purpose during the remainder of this volume?
“He re-encounters the carnival, but he’s also on a bit of an existential quest to find out what his life is all about. He was told he would die alone, and that starts to play on him. There is some unexpected stuff between him and Peter in the last two episodes. A strange alliance has to be formed.”
You have seemed reluctant since the Season 1 finale to have the heroes unite and act in concert, à la the X-Men. Why is that?
“First of all, logistically it becomes very hard to get everybody into one place. It’s a nightmare for shooting, the jigsaw puzzle of it all. Most television tries to avoid more than two people in a scene, for just that reason. It takes a third longer to a shoot a scene with three people, so when you get eight people in a scene, you really start to stretch things. Also, one of the problems with serialized storytelling is that it’s like a giant snowball, and the season finales start to be a lot of “running around.” You try to give everybody a part of the story so you don’t have them all arriving in one place, saying, “OK, you do this, and I’ll do this…” It becomes a little silly when that happens.”
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Not sure how the previous press release was screwed up for this episode, but here is the OFFICIAL press release from NBC, that confirms the return of David Anders and goes along with Tweets from the writer Oliver Grigsby about Kensei Swords being used.
Episode 4×15 Pass/Fail – OFFICIAL Press Release 01/18/2010 (09:00PM – 10:00PM)
THE VERDICT OF AN UNEXPECTED TRIAL COULD MEAN THE END OF HIRO – GEORGE TAKEI, TAMLYN TOMITA, MADELINE ZIMA, DAWN OLIVIERI AND DAVID ANDERS GUEST STAR
Hiro’s (Masi Oka) life hangs in the balance as his brain tumor worsens, prompting him to subconsciously deal with some of his past decisions. Meanwhile, Sylar (Zachary Quinto) pays Claire (Hayden Panettiere) an unexpected visit to get answers as to why he isn’t quite himself. Elsewhere, Samuel’s (Robert Knepper) plan to impress his long-lost love, Vanessa (guest star Kate Vernon), takes a terrifying turn. Jack Coleman, James Kyson Lee and Sendhil Ramamurthy) also star. Lisa Lackey, Danielle Savre, Sally Champlin, Satomi Okuno and Jordan Dang also guest stars.
-k-
ok now i’m officialy excited, although it seems looking at tim krings comments that the posters on this thread are spot on with your theories.
-k-
“He’s had a complicated relationship with Claire’s father, Noah, and there are things he wants because of that. I think that becomes apparent pretty quickly.”
ok u guys were right….maybe i sidetracked u into thinking he wanted peter. so his big plan does not involve peter after all and from what it sounds, to achoieve his full power SAMUELW ILL ALWAYS NEED THOSE AROUND HIM…unless his plan is to find ando lol.
The trailer shows sylar watching claire and totally owning samuel…if i stated my thoughts i would be stating the obvious.
and unfortunately she’s on another show! [Laughs] But we will finally deal with that in the season finale (airing February 8), when Charlie and Hiro are reunited.”
which is exactly what i said, at least she isnt gunna be kaitlined but COME ON!
Will Sylar serve a definitive purpose during the remainder of this volume?
“He re-encounters the carnival, but he’s also on a bit of an existential quest to find out what his life is all about. He was told he would die alone, and that starts to play on him. There is some unexpected stuff between him and Peter in the last two episodes. A strange alliance has to be formed.”
soooo predictable it will be peter and sylar stopping samuel
about sylar visiting claire, hiro telling him he would die alone finally affecting him now…sylar has been through a lot since then…he realises that hiro was refuring to the kirby plasa incident…. funny cuz claire thinks he is truely dead now. this is gunna be annoying if we get ’sylar good again’
ONE QUESTION:
@ SK74 AND ANYONE ELSE LIVING IN ENGLAND OR THAT JUST HAPPENS TO BE KNOWLEDGEABLE
WILL HEROES LATEST EPISODE BE ONLINE TOMORROW???
and dont forget to check out the graphic novel too! my last day of the hols tomoz n its heroes dy!
dont reply to my last bottom part there, i checked wikipedia, im looking forward to this!
@alexx
i’m always on my comp at around 9am on the morning after and i’ve always been able to find the ep but bear in mind that as its a double ep it usually puts the posters behind their schedule.
1. got-heroes
2. filestube
3. zerosec
never had any virus hits with these lot.
-k-
4) greatstufftv.com
5) surfthechannel.com
6) tvduck.com
however i nearly always stick to my number 4.
Thanks anyway!
I wish I could watch it live through my comp…but i guess that there is a time difference anyway.
See you guys tomorrow after watching both, I may make notes throughout on my comp cuz i bet there is gunna be some pretty gd stuff.
i look forward to the claire-sylar scene. lol for once claire may have an interesting…or may be standing in an interesting scene!
Masi oka’s new interview:
How does Hiro’s journey over these next six episodes compare to what he’s been up to so far this season?
It’s kind of a continuation, but more in a resolution fashion. He now he has three specific goals to accomplish: deal with his brain tumor, rescue Suresh, and find Charlie (played by ‘Glee’s’ Jayma Mays). That is a more concrete mission than he had in the first half of the season.
Is Mohinder a more predictable and reliable ally these days?
Hopefully. Well see him for a handful of episodes, and he’ll have his own mission as well.
How soon will the details of Samuel’s master plan become clear?
Definitely within the first two episodes. And towards the end of the season, you’re going to see some unlikely alliances – and some unlikely enemies as well.
Does Samuel threaten to divide the heroes we know into two warring camps?
Yeah, there will be some of that. A big showdown is coming up, and it involves the crossing of paths for many characters.
Was it hard saying goodbye to Adrian Pasdar? After all, Hiro and Nathan were two of the first heroes to ever cross paths back in Season 1.
Without a doubt. Adrian, first of all, has been my mentor, my brother my friend…. He’s a colleague I’ve always respected and admired. We’ll miss the positive energy he brought to the set, but while I’ve lost Nathan Petrelli, I’ve gained Adrian Pasdar as a lifelong friend.
How was it reuniting with Jayma Mays earlier this season?
It was fantastic. I love ‘Glee,’ and I think she’s great in that. I really enjoyed reuniting with her and playing those [Hiro/Charlie] moments again.
In light of that one goal of Hiro’s, might we see Charlie again this season?
You never know….
One recurring knock against ‘Heroes’ has been its tendency to use Hiro’s time travel to erase nasty events and in doing so undercut the dramatic tension. Might they rein that in as the series goes on?
To be honest, that’s a hard question because the rules do change every year. That’s just the nature of time travel storytelling, which is hard to manage. The writers have some creative liberty, so we hope the audience will just go for the ride and not focus on the technicalities of it.
When do you hope to find out whether or not this is the last season?
We don’t know; everything’s up in the air. It’s no secret that our ratings have slipped from Season 1, but creatively I think this is the second-strongest season. We want the crew to be working as well, but so many things go into these decisions.
Source: Fancast
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“the rules do change every year. That’s just the nature of time travel storytelling, which is hard to manage. The writers have some creative liberty, so we hope the audience will just go for the ride and not focus on the technicalities of it.”
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erm no ofcourse we dont cough cough !!!
-k-
@ Kerry
Damn, u must be going for the Longest Comment Award 2010 already lol! (OK technically they’re not ur comments as such, but still…)
Thanks for the info as always!
I didn’t even realise it’s Monday already :S So much for the analysis… Still, I can drop in little observations here and there (like anyone notice how in ep 6 ‘Strange Attractors’, Claire was quite the leader in that ‘kidnapping/ scavenger hunt’? Maybe they’re setting her up for something in the future… Head of the new Company, maybe?)
So Hiro might be reunited with Charlie after all?!? Maybe I was jumping the gun… maybe not. I’m gonna see how this plays out.
Sam is more powerful when more Specials are around him…
…so the key is not to gang up on him, but to get everyone to run for it… DUH! How the HELL did I (we) miss that one, ppl?!?
Well, to be fair tho, from the words used (“OK, but remember: Samuel has no power unless he is surrounded by other people. So in some ways it’s about getting people away from him as opposed to bringing people towards him.”), maybe there is something in the theory that he might build up some kind of invulnerability with more Specials around… which is just the shortsighted, opposite way of saying “he will weaken with less Specials”
Yeah… I don’t feel so bad now.
then perhaps when it comes down to it all it will take to destroy him is everyone urning there back on the carnival and HRG with a gun (like everyone has stated at least once) and probably the haitian (whos my personal favorite) or would it be some kind of counter act if the haitian is around? the haitian eliminates abilities, samuel draws his ability from other speacials being around so if the haitian and him are in the same room whos power actually works?
@ Clark
That’s actually a good question! I would say the Haitian, but then again… coz of how Sam’s power works, he might actually be immune to Rene’s ability – well, the power blocking aspect at least… maybe not the mind wipe (there’s gotta be SOMEONE that’s immune to Rene’s trick).
Or maybe Sam can be powerblocked WHEN ON HIS OWN, but the more Specials there are around adding to his power, the harder it is for Rene to block him (like when he struggled to keep Arthur nullified).
just readd the gn, will see the ep after dentist, gn was a bit strange.
Looks like this site is dying. Where are the new threads?
@alexx, the GN makes more sense after watching the episodes. And if you haven’t watched it yet, then I suggest you stop reading this post right now if you don’t want to spoil anything.
Last episode(s) highlights:
- Peter coming back anytime soon? Hint #1: he had his “emo” Season1 haircut. Hint #2: Angela hinting at his overwhelming empathy. Hint #3: He empathized with that non-special guy who shot his co-workers. He copied West’s ability to (I assume) make a real tribute to his brother. While he’s impotent at copying abilities through empathy, he tries really hard to get into people’s skin. Makes me REALLY confident we’ll getting Peter back soon. I really do hope it’s not just a carrot-on-stick writers are using to tease viewers though.
- Claire growing up; While she still annoys me (probably because I’ve just grown to hate her) she was strong enough to stand up to Doyle, and for once she didn’t sound like a bitch when she confronted HRG on Nathan’s death. Again a cosmetic detail, but did anyone notice that she was looking more like future/dark Claire in this episode? She not only had this “don’t mess with me attitude”, but she also looked darked when she was applying her make-up.
- Hiro being relatively intelligent despite having his head messed up; The GN was actually hilarious. Hopefully Suresh will be able to help him out, or perhaps the Haïtian could.
- Sylar; Here he goes copying another ability without killing, but he’s now impotent at killing? I’m having a hard time following that one. Mainly because Sylar would’ve killed Angela if Nathan didn’t manifest, and it seems very unlikely that Nathan could’ve found a way to disable Sylar’s killing ability before dying.
What I didn’t like: They officially made Sylar too powerful right now. Whether he can kill or not. He now has the ability to find anyone anywhere and copy their ability. This is pure BS.
I’m eager to see what Sylar wants from Claire. Will he really dare to attempt to seduce her (again) after cutting her head after killing Nathan? I know he doesn’t want to die alone and all, but still… Of course he can now manipulate her by touching her and making her think he understand all her feelings.
And also, did anyone see Emma’s Pied Piper ability coming? I’m personally still confused at the links between her seeing sound, being able to use it to scratch walls, and then being able to play music to lure people.
And also, how did Samuel know her full ability’s potential? It cannot be HRG’s files… How could Primatech know she can be a Pied Piper while she herself figured she could SEE sound only weeks ago? He also showed interest in her way before he got access to those files, since he sent her the cello a while ago. My only explanation is that he asked Lydia to show him someone who could lure specials to the Carnival… but he would need a pretty potent amplifier to bring people from around the world in a desert.
3/4 of the 1st ep ws soo dull and out of place…doyle…
that is a standard episode to show why i hate claire, it only got interesting with the valley scene n th funeral part, now for ep 2.
@alexx, if you wanted to know more about Emma’s point in the show, you definitely need to watch this: http://heroesspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/2010/01/episode-4×14-close-to-you-new-promo.html.
Looks like next week’s episode will be quite action packed. I so anticipate it to be the episode where Peter get his mimicry back that I almost got tears of joy in my eyes typing this.
Just watched ‘Upon this rock’, having trouble streaming let it bleed, (is ep 13 or 14 upon this rock? Im confused, it looks like they’ve been labelled wrong or something… anyway…)
@ FD
I def didn’t see Emma’s Pied Piper role coming at all! I’m so glad it was explained the way it was (thanks Samuel!), and it still seemed right that it was made clear to Emma AND us at the same time.
Glad it was clarified that her emotions, rather than the sounds/ notes, are what caused the crack in the wall. WHY? OK, look at it like this: By channelling her EMOTIONS thru sound/ music, she can CONNECT with people, thus attracting them to her. There is some kind of EMPATHIC CONNECTION there that she can create… you can see where I’m going with this, right?
Maybe that kinda explains why/ how Peter copied her ability after saving her, without realising it. It wasn’t so much him connecting with her, more like the other way around IMO.
And it also gives credibility to pre-season claims that ‘Emma will help Peter reconnect etc etc’.
Come to think about it, this ’siren’ ability has been obvious and right in front of our eyes all along… Most of the times when Emma has played an instrument (ok, that guy’s cello in the park, and the piano in the hospital a couple o’ times), PEOPLE HAVE GATHERED to watch her, DRAWN by the music. In fact, with the cello in the park, when she started playing, did you notice Peter kinda heard the music from quite a distance, and he seemed to be drawn to it’s source. But before that, when the ‘busker’ was playing, no-one gave HIM the time of day.
why wont my long comment post!
okay so you guys actually liked the eps?
I’ve just finished and i enjoy any heroes episode but those 2 eps were nothing special in my opinion.
- the first was was classic claire. I hate her.
- actually thought that they might be bringing west back into the show with those 2 hints…but no…. peter has the power now…which was veeerry stupid….i kno why he wanted it but in comparison to cb or haiten…
i was sooo worried that they were gunna make sylar gd again…
our two villains this season are both described as not that bad by samuel…huh
the hrg scenes were interesting he is the villain in a way. however my favourite moment was the one where sylar beat up doyle and turned of samuel.
here is what i disliked, every character seemed out of place:
claire: she went from liking the carnival to fleeing it.
edgar: he wanted to return to the carnival under samuel
sylar: he didnt kill a single carnival guy…he couldnt as he said it, at least he took 1 new power.
doyle: i know he is fighting to protect his new life but it seemed soo out of place with claire.
hrg and angela stayed in form but i gotbored of hiro and ando trying to make sence of things. i understand what theyr on about but it was dull sitting through it.
now as even the peter scenes slightly bored me, i want to see matt and mohinder…. im sorry guys for my critical view, but those eps really did nothing for me.
my fave characters r peter, hiro and sylar….and each one seemed to go down hill…sylar started off as classic sylar with the doyle scene and then i ws wondering ‘wtf’ when he was with lydia.
now mohinder scenes r gunna be drowned with hiro and ando interpretations, so the onyl characters i look forward to atm in the coming eps r: tracy and matt.
im gunna check out the promo to the next ep before i close this comment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP8A2berL50
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PETER TAKES ANGELA’S ABILITY
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so why would samuel need emma? to make her convince the world to follow him….
i really think he is over complicating things. he needs the specials so that he can move the valley, done, he needs emma to get the plant guy, done…does he want to take over the world or what…
maybe i am just tired, i could be wrong, but the claire scenes and hiro scenes jsut annoyed me. ‘heroes is taking a drama turn this season’ we were told…i hope that season 5 doesnt follow that root because those emma and samuel scenes……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP8A2berL50
thats the promo.
so did u guys hate those eps as much as i did? or did i miss the beauty and the cleverness of the emotions…?
@ fd…shit ur right! sylar now has mollys power plus!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i did not realise that! when i aggges ago wrote up level 1, 2 and 3 powers…mollys ws a number 2 cuz with it along with hiro’s power, he could find and kill every special in the world….wow.
i miss nathan, they officially went to far there….sylar is about to die permenantly or become a gd guy, check the signs ‘maybe i will save the world’…this is terrible….
i had to delete many spaces there but there it is.
my comment may seem quite extreme but i am soo bored of claire! i think i could even prediction her words before she says them.
and @ the person who said peter looks like he is getting his em back next ep, how many times has this popped up! with emma at the beginning fo the series, when he found out that sylar killed his brother….argh…, if it happened now it would be like an anti climax….’oh…okay so he got his power back….’ i’ve forgotten what it was to want them to bring it back…
i know im using a lot of ‘…’ but i am kind of lost for words here.
@F.D., can’t say I saw it coming in this fashion regarding Emma’s ability, but I referred to it weeks ago as exactly that “a Siren’s Song” so I actually chuckled when Samuel compared it as just that…being a person who played RPG video games frequently, this ability is common and have seen variations of it as well in Final Fantasy classics….Angela’s vision though was different than what I thought Samuel would want her for as I didn’t expect him to use her to kill thousands of humans as much as amplifying his own power….and not to toot my horn, but I found it comical as when we had the Sylar vs. Samuel talk a few weeks ago, I mentioned he could beat Sylar by creating a gravel storm around him and WALAH! LMAO Gravel storm shredded him up nicely!
I too don’t know or agree about this impotent to kill jargon…makes no sense as he was about to kill Angela and are they saying Sylar could’ve easily killed Samuel there?? That would make no sense again as he already had that in his mind about what Hiro said when meeting Angela so don’t understand it…also, if Peter has to work around with these garbage powers any longer and doesn’t get them this season, I too my friends may lose interest….I don’t get the sense at all of totally depowering Peter and Sylar is totally over-powered without question….are the writers so blind that they haven’t understood the reason people watch this show and who is the main protagonist everyone wants to see??
@FD, I hope you’re right about them showing him empathizing because some of these hints we thought before we just nothing….I was hoping he would regain his ability when he was looking at the pic of Nathan and his feelings would trigger his empathy…to say call Wes, not show him and then Pete get his power was SO LAME!!!! To be honest, that 2 hour ep was a disappointment for me….liked parts of it, but not what they did with Pete…actually, I 1st thought he flew off the roof listening to the Police Scanner only to see Claire followed him….this isn’t some mello drama, Pete needs his damn powers, it’s been almost 2 full seasons!! WTF Kring?…..
I think this season will end with Samuel having his carnies/others living in the place he’s creating for people with abilities and others who want to have normal lives and not hurt human beings setting up an almost version of XMEN vs. MAgneto/Hellfire Club…they said from one of the spoilers unlikely alliances will be made and people will choose sides against each other…we’ve even seen in comics XMEN joining Magneto at times and so forth which is where this seems to be headed…I just hope they don’t jam a bunch of stuff down our throats in the last few weeks where there are more questions than answers….
The preview also adds to the likeliness of Peter becoming himself again. “She might kill millions of people. Here’s the deal: in order to save her, you need to save yourself.” Also, call me stupid but I’m going to insist on the haircut. This is SO season one Peter, and I cannot see why writers wouldn’t do it on purpose.
My perception is that after paying tribute to Nathan, flying around and thinking about “Fighting the good fights”, Peter will copy Angela’s ability in order to learn what he’s supposed to do next. He dreams about an angry Emma becoming a really big threat to the city, potentially killing everyone. It is really weird though because Emma is so sweet that I would think she’d stop playing after noticing everyone around is suffering/dying. I first thought that the dream could be wrong, and that she was actually trying to soothe everyone, but she looks so mad that I do believe she’s actually letting her anger go, and then on the next scene it seems to become fear as she realize what’s going on, and we all know what happened when she got afraid in her apartment.
Also why was Angela talking into Peter’s dream? Angela sees things, and then has to figure out how to make them (not) happen. She also sometimes interprets facts wrong, and ruin everything (Nathan’s death is basically her fault). But Peter hears Angela explaining what’s going on in the dream, like some kind of oracle telling him exactly what his quest should be. They’re probably just adding her speech for drama, but from an ability point it seems wrong to me.
I too am worried about where they’re going with Sylar. I just want him to be depowered again somehow. The amount/potency of abilities he’s gathered is downright ridiculous. Allowing him to copy everything by touch is simply going to far, especially with the ability to track people down. I don’t care if he cannot kill anymore because he feels guilty or Nathan caused a short-circuit before dying or whatnot. I really hope they’re not turning Sylar into some “I can take every power I can, but I won’t because I want to have friends and marry Claire” silly character.
@F.D. yeah, the haircut and the outfit in black…also, something else just occured to me referencing the good guy in white and villian in black…FP was considered a terrorist, tried to kill his own brother to fix the future, etc,. and he wore black…so was he really good or just as we they thought he was in that future?? Was he really doing more harm than good possibly back then which is why he died as a result?? Hmmm….
I also read there will be unlikely alliances most notably I can tell Pete/Sylar will team up so will he take IA or just take the empathy from Sylar so to a degree he would have his original power back?? Now that I think about it, maybe it’s Sylar that actually helps Pete reconnect and get his abilities back! Haven’t gone through all the scenarios in my head, but it sounds plausible since Sylar does have that ability and he wouldn’t get the hunger…this is kind of how you mapped it out saying as long as he had some kind of connection 1st to take abilities going forward which could be possible…he took Lydia’s power because of the sexual empathy which is understandable, but remember since he didn’t open her head he won’t know how to use the full capacity of it….also, what did he empathisize with Doyle to take his power last season?? Kring did confirm in an interview that Sylar did in fact have Doyle’s power at the end when he was moving Claire around…regardless of that, I just hope this leads nicely into next season and not another cliffhanger…also, still disappointed immensely that they never showed what happened in the room with Sylar/Pete/Nathan…thought we would’ve definitely got a flashback somewhere in such an important scene…that has now joined the lameness of Pete getting Wes’ ability yesterday without a wiff of Wes’ on the show and I personally always thought they should’ve brought him back…
Well to be honest there isn’t much more to add on the Petrellis vs Sylar fight. It’s easy to figure that Peter was getting beat down and Nathan flew Sylar off to give him a break. Not seeing the fight was quite a let-down, but I personally have moved on. Showing the fight would just be a waste of special effects budget at this point…
As for Peter allying with Sylar after he had just killed his brother not once, but twice… that would sound kind of cheesy and a bit too the classic “we hate each other but of we don’t team up then the world’s gonna explode, so let’s put our different aside for just a moment” truce.
Judging from the preview, there are now not one, but TWO threats: Samuel getting “whatever his goal is” done, and Emma losing control. I’d be enclined to believe Peter will deal with Emma while Sylar will team with Noah to bring Samuel down. The way I see the final episode is Sylar teaming with Noah to kill Samuel, but Peter will show up with Emma and she uses her ability to soothe him, or Matt will be with them and manipulate Samuel into becoming what Joseph used to be: a fair(e!) leader. Then Claire would see HRG with Sylar being douches trying to kill Samuel, tilt off and become Dark Claire in next season.
@F.D. LOL. I can so imagine Matt being used again to make Sylar into Joseph. Then again, would Matt even want to be involved considering all the trauma from last time? :S
Bah, I shouldn’t have watched it online. Now I have to wait two weeks.
@ f.d, i’de like to think u have a point with peter’s haircut but if there are five stages of grief or should i say hope:
1) theorising how peter will regain his old power.
2) complaining that peter doesnt hvae his old power back
3) heavily complaining how peter along with many other characters are often depowered, dememorised, or ‘hiroed’.
4) THIS IS WHERE I AM. I have lost all hope and if he got it back now….I just feel lost about it because i have got my hopes up so many times…even now you go back to 1) theorising, how he will get his power back, looking at the hints…
5) I cant work out what this stage is? hating the heroes writers for ruining peter?
anyway dont get ur hopes up about peter.
i wonder hwat ando-hiro-mohinder will have to do with taking samuel down?
so hiro telling sylar he would die alone really did change the timeline then, and we finally saw how powerful samuel can really be when it’s one on one.
@ f.d, i’de like to think u have a point with peter’s haircut but if there are five stages of grief or should i say hope:
1) theorising how peter will regain his old power.
2) complaining that peter doesnt hvae his old power back
3) heavily complaining how peter along with many other characters are often depowered, dememorised, or ‘hiroed’..
4) THIS IS WHERE I AM. I have lost all hope and if he got it back now….I just feel lost about it because i have got my hopes up so many times…even now you go back to 1) theorising, how he will get his power back, looking at the hints…
5) I cant work out what this stage is? hating the heroes writers for ruining peter?
anyway dont get ur hopes up about peter.
i wonder hwat ando-hiro-mohinder will have to do with taking samuel down?
so hiro telling sylar he would die alone really did change the timeline then, and we finally saw how powerful samuel can really be when it’s one on one.
Heh Matt would obviously not perform another mind transfer. But he could “influence” Samuel into figuring that blowing the world up isn’t actually a good thing.
Remember how Matt forced Danko into feeling like he had to go see the one he loved in order to track them down.
About the final episode, we learned on odi-blogspot that we’ll get to see Charlie, so perhaps Samuel does listen to reason and calms then and then tell Hiro where/when she is after all. Or perhaps we’ll just see Jemma Mays in a flashback showing how Samuel forced Arnold to make sure she would never be found.
So there will be several factions showing up at the carnival at the last episode:
1) Samuel and his manipulated carnies
2) Lydia and Edgar, perhaps leading a rebellion if they manage to convince anyone
3) Peter with Emma
4) Noah and his hot partner with the intent of ambushing and killing Samuel
5) Sylar perhaps wanting to be a hero to feel loved or whatever (typing this really gets me sick)
6) Claire whom we still cannot know which side she would take at this point
We know Robert Knepper is now part of the main cast, so I’m assuming they’re not killing him off at the last episode. So what do you think could happen?
- Sylar saves the day somehow by neutralizing Samuel without killing him. He then goes cry in a corner because nobody loves him anyway still.
- Peter and Emma show up. Emma plays a terrifying song to make all the carnies run away, rendering Samuel basically powerless.
- Noah shows up at the carnival with http://heroeswiki.com/Lauren_Gilmore, Samuel instantly stops whatever he is doing because she’s actually http://heroeswiki.com/Vanessa that got haïtianed by Primatech.
- Mohinder shows up with Hiro and Ando. Mohinder tells Ando that since he has the ability to amplify powers, he should also be able to inverse his polarities and lessen/stop them.
- Matt (who got no idea about who Samuel is) randomly shows up for a seemingly cool carnival day with Janice and Matty. When Samuel begins to do his thing, Baby Matt starts to cry…
So, as I read the comments I had a thought. This episode, Claire said something about how HRG had made Sylar look like Nathan, and that she had felt love for him. It is obvious that she has issues with Sylar, and rightfully so. Also, at the end of the first ep, right before she left Samuel, it seemed to me that she went from hating him and being suspicious, to accepting him again, in classic Claire fashion. She went back, and she and peter have bonded over Nathan’s death. Now, there is a spoiler saying that there will be unlikely alliances formed. What would be more unlikely than Sylar and Peter? I can see them teaming up, after the bonding and all that, Claire getting hurt about it, and teaming up with Samuel, (another unlikely alliance, in my opinion, because as whiney as she is, she usually ends up on the good side), and thus Dark Claire is born. Just a thought.
So, as I read the comments I had a thought. This episode, Claire said something about how HRG had made Sylar look like Nathan, and that she had felt love for him. It is obvious that she has issues with Sylar, and rightfully so. Also, at the end of the first ep, right before she left Samuel, it seemed to me that she went from hating him and being suspicious, to accepting him again, in classic Claire fashion. She went back, and she and peter have bonded over Nathan’s death. Now, there is a spoiler saying that there will be unlikely alliances formed. What would be more unlikely than Sylar and Peter? I can see them teaming up, after the bonding and all that, Claire getting hurt about it, and teaming up with Samuel, (another unlikely alliance, in my opinion, because as whiney as she is, she usually ends up on the good side), and thus Dark Claire is born. Just a thought.
@ FD
“- Noah shows up at the carnival with http://heroeswiki.com/Lauren_Gilmore, Samuel instantly stops whatever he is doing because she’s actually http://heroeswiki.com/Vanessa that got haïtianed by Primatech.”
I see the similarity with the drawing and everything, but it’s a different actress playing the part of Vanessa. I can’t remember her name ATM but I’ll post if I come across it.
Erm… Matej?
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