Heroes has promised us no time travel in this volume. Still, there are several ways Daphne (played by Brea Grant) could remain alive ( via TVGuide )
- It was all a dream.
- She used her super-speed to dodge the bullets, then faked her death.
- They just do the time travel thing after promising not to.
What do you think, any theories ?
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Matt plus Ando? Who knows, they probably could have ended the whole thing right there.
Theories;
Claires blood splatters on her.
Fakes her own death
Got shot but survived, now is hostage.
Ando supercharged her prior to that moment, so her future self got shot (which means her past self is fine)
Her cells moved fast to the wounded location allowing the white blood cells to prevent infection, then the fibroblasts moved there to remodel damaged tissue.
Remember that Claires ability is completely different from that last theory – Claires cells regenerate at a high rate, allowing her to heal more faster.
If Daphne’s cells moved at high speeds, she could regenerate, but not like Claire, because Daphne, cannot replace her damaged cells. Just her existing cells move to the wounded location faster than a normal humans would.
Since she only got shot, it’s most likely that the last theory is more plausible.
Which means, she’s still wounded, but not as bad.
@bubbajones
” sk74 – using your same logic, one could argue the opposite – since it wasn’t shown on TV, it never happened, therefore, Molly still has her powers…although, I would still like to know how Arthur found Claire and Hiro.”
True dat bro! I did answer this one earlier, but my computer’s been playing up so the reply didn’t come thru (grrrr!), can’t go thru all that again!
Basically, I agree, coz remember Sylar taking Robert Keeps power in a deleted scene? Keeps ability was the impenetrable skin that they ended up attributing to Baron Samedi (Haitian’s half-brother) and Sylar never got so much as a whiff of the power. So yes, what you say could be true… but once the writers state something to the effect of a rumour being a fact – and it makes sound sense – that’s good enough for me, and I’ll hold them to it, too!
If you check on the Heroes wiki, it’s true that Molly’s ability is still shown as Clairvoyance… but at least in the notes section further down the page, It does state that:
‘According to Pokarsky/Coleite, Molly was in a deleted scene of Our Father: “There was a scene where Arthur found Molly and stole her ability, using it to find Hiro and Claire in the past. However, the scene just seemed overwhelmingly, what’s the word? Disturbing.” ‘
But they DID say that this scene will be on the DVD (whether as bonus material, or actually included in the storyline I don’t know. But the impression I got is that it DID happen, whether they leave it in or not. I mean, how else would Arthur have found Hiro and Claire not just ANYWHERE in the WORLD, but ANYWHEN in TIME too? (Come to think of it, how did he find Molly in the first place? I guess he must’ve pulled that answer out of Mohinder’s mind without Mo even kno! Coz he’s the one that ‘took her somewhere “safe” ‘.)
ok well i think when they all came to the plain crash daphne got shot then claires blood saved her but matt didnt no that until he saw then told her to act like shes dead just until the hunter is gone with claire then she can run away
also does anyone no what happened to Caitlin in season 2 episode 7 out of time is she still stuck in the future??? will peter help her or what????
ok well i think when they all came to the plain crash daphne got shot then claires blood saved her but matt didnt no that until he saw then told her to act like shes dead just until the hunter is gone with claire then she can run away
also does anyone no what happened to Caitlin in season 2 episode 7 out of time is she still stuck in the future??? will peter help her or what????
@ Anthony
YOU TELL ‘EM BRO! Coz I’m tired of explaining it myself, tbh.
Anyone who cannot grasp the simple concept that the FUTURE HAS NOW CHANGED AS A RESULT OF DIFFERENT CHOICES MADE should give up now… start watching something that is easier for you to grasp, like Teletubbies or Sesame Street.
I think Nathan only said one prisoner, however, coz he doesn’t know about Daphne. The Hunter captured her, remember, and him and Nathan aren’t exactly drinking buddies are they? I think that Danko is holding Daphne prisoner, but hasn’t told Nathan yet (if he ever will). Nathan wants to try to keep everyone alive, but Daphne got shot the f*** up (but just wounded, for those of you who still reckon she’s dead – don’t do a Parkman now!)… if Nathan knew, he might have had maybe a FEW words to say about the matter imo
I don’t think they (the writers) would have Nathan talking about one prisoner if he knows there are two just to keep the audience in the dark. Heroes isn’t a show where they break the Fourth Wall (the characters don’t address the audience as if they could see us, a trick used mainly in comedy and stage productions). What I’m trying to say, is that if Nathan was aware of Daphne he would have acknowledged her, unless he had reason to keep her a secret or lie about her, and WE, the audience, would not be a good reason for the writers to have him lie. Otherwise they end up getting disappointed/ angry/ baffled fans who give them grief for plot inconsistencies and for insulting our intelligence (like with the Daphne/ Ando TimeTravel fiasco… faster-than-lightspeed = back in time : I’m cool with that. But faster-than-lightspeed AGAIN = FORWARD in time too? That’s a big steaming pile of shit if you ask me.)
Anyway… started to get carried away there again lol, so I’m done with the wild-eyed crazy-haired rant! (for now…)
Sylar survived being shot loads of times in volume 1 (at the Bennet house, by Matt when he was protecting that other cop etc.) before he’d acquired Claire’s powers, maybe Daphne surivived the same way he did. Or maybe there’s a simpler answer, she was wearing a bulletproof vest, I don’t recall seeing any blood on her top?
@ destinee
Matt genuinely believes at this point that Daphne is dead (he doesn’t want justice, he wants revenge, remember?) Plus he mind-controlled that gunmen to kill the others – we was lashing out in anger… coz he thought his true love was dead. There were no plans made telepathically, and even less time to make such plans in.
For all intents and purposes, Caitlin should be a lost cause… she was trapped in what would now be an alternate future i.e. nobody from the current present timeline can travel there, because this future doesn’t exist any more (it was averted).
@ SK74 I doubt Caitlan will return but in regards to her being in an ‘alternate’ future, since the timeline changed due to the virus not being released is it possible that time just shift around her. Being that she stayed in the future while the timeline re-arranged itself around her ? Maybe I’ve been reading my Xmen comics too much and going crazy.
……………………………… Go Peter
@ Matt
I guess anything’s possible… I was gonna try to explain the way I saw it, but trust me – it’s WAY too complex, my brain is already hurting just trying to figure out how to word it! I’m an oldskool X-men fan too, so I know the kinda scenario you’re talking about (Age of Apocalypse, M’Kraan crystal kinda thing? Or similar?)
All I can say, is that when Peter and Caitlin travelled to that future, the virus hadn’t yet been released in the present… but the future still saw an outbreak. Therefore, I’m assumig that the quarantined future would remain, whether the virus was released or not. As far as THAT future is concerned, events have already happened… the outbreak is a part of history.
ok, well, it looked like she got shot in the arm. That’s not fatal. If she was shot in the head or the chest then yeah, I’d expect her to be dead. But I think she just got injured and probably captured by Nathan’s team and the Hunter (Danko)
I think she may get healed by claire or someone else with healing ,like give blood.
@SK74
the theory is that if you can achieve speed greater tha nthe speed of light then you can travel through time. Forwards or backwards. And if she can travel backwards that way, why shouldn’t she be able to go forwards? And anyway time travel is still only a theory, its fricking tv show, if they want to to be able to travel through time like that, then they can have it so. T.V Show = Outside the realms of realworld physics. It’s not stupid that Hiro can look like his taking a shit to travel through time is it?
i was on the heroes schedule and one episode descrpition said
“as matt rushes to save daphne”
that aint released for 2 weeks so she aint dead
I kinda knew Daph wasn’t dead. I mena, matt didn’t even cry. If she were gone for good they’d have made that moment alot more dramatic.
And I like the Claire splatter theory myself.
On an extremely off-topic note, am I the only one who LOVES the new charachters? Luke and Alex are so beyond awesome.
Anyway…
the picture showed that she got shot not she’s dead or died.
@ FumFing
“It’s not stupid that Hiro can look like his taking a shit to travel through time is it?”
LMAO! You got me there, I can’t even top that with a reply, haHA! 8 D
I think that Nathan may have taken Daphne and healed her with the government, holding her captive somewhere,that, or there is a Healer somewhere hidden on the show, just like Hiro’s mother
@SK47
Haha, sorry if I sounded like I was attacking your opinion, didnt mean for it to sound like that if it did.
Am I the only one who really hates Nathan now? When Heroes first started I really liked him, he was the hero with an ambigious moral compass ya know?, but now, I can guess that he will end up being one of teh good guys again, because of how he is reacting to The Hunter, but as a villain I really really hate him, in teh way he is meant to be hated. Not that he is playing the role poorly, the opposite in fact, I really believe that Nathan is a down right evil guy, I think it would be a great story arc to have Nathan slowly become something equal to Sylar, not a serial killer or anything liek that, but the shows main villain.
We still don’t have an explanation for her whereabouts:
1. If she did simply survive the gunshot wound, she wasn’t captured by Nathan Petrelli (he tells his new boss they only have 1 person in custody – Tracy).
2. She didn’t escape on her own, or she would have immediately tracked down Matt.
@ FumFing
No problem at all, no offense taken. In fact, I kinda grasp the idea now (Daphne timetravelling); won’t go into it right now, but my reasoning involved Einstein’s theory, equal and opposites (therefore faster and slower), etc. that’s why I couldn’t see her using the same means to achieve the opposite result. But you’re saying once the light-speed barrier is broken it’s a different story… yeah, I can buy that, it’s plausible. Nice one! Hey, I know it’s just tv, but it’s just more enjoyable when all this shit connects and makes sense, y’know? It also shows that the writers appreciate the intelligence of their audience imo.
I know what you mean about Nathan, although you could always kinda see it coming. I think he works well as a ‘villain’. He does actually believe that he is doing something for the greater good and that the ends justify the means… and while he has tried to keep the Heroes alive (he thanked HRG for not shooting Peter) he has still turned against his own kind like in season 1. How did he think he was gonna get away with this whole thing? I wouldn’t be surprised if the Hunter already suspects that he’s a Special (Claire’s his daughter, Peter’s his brother, Hunter’s not stupid)…
Seeing that Nathan’s nearly died at the end of both seasons so far, what doyou think the chances are that he’ll survive this season? Or do you think he’ll stay as a villain? Coz I can’t see him just saying “sorry, all you guys… Peter… I was wrong, let’s shake hands and be friends again”. (Peter definitely shouldn’t hug any more members of his family, lol!)
Daphne most likely just didn’t get shot anywhere that would kill her instantly. Don’t think the blood splatter, sped up healing, or dodging bullets by moving fast theories are very possible.
@sk47
from behind the eclipse 14
““In BTE #12, you guys left us with a tantalizing bit of information. You mentioned that a scene was cut where Arthur takes Molly Walker’s powers. Will we see Molly again, and if we do will she be powerless? More importantly, I’m curious about how Arthur found Molly. He needed to find her to get her ability to find people, so obviously he didn’t have a finding-people ability of his own. The only person who knew where she was is Mohinder. So did Mohinder sell her out to Arthur and will this be brought up again in future episodes?”
Yep. Mohinder did sell her out. The weakling. What an A-hole. But… since that storyline was cut from the show, it was cut from continuity. So no – you won’t be seeing any ramifications from that storyline.”
I just want to say that when Hiro and Claire went into the past, they didn’t change anything!
1. Kieto (SP?) told Hiro in 3×1 (or 2, I’m not sure off the top of my head) The he had the “Light”, meaning the catalyst.
2. We only saw Hiro tear the formula in half. In the first episode the formula was in two pieces…
Seams plain logic to me, but I also think differently than most…
@ cg
Thanks, I did actually read that in BTE, but between so many other subjects to comment on and computer trouble, I never got around to admitting my mistake… Cheers for clearing it up, for real.
I also read on 9th Wonders afterwards, someone suggested that Arthur got Molly’s power when he robbed Peter (since Peter absorbed DL’s power on Kirby Plaza season 1, isn’t it likely that he absorbed Molly’s? And Micah’s too, since they were both with DL). Because whichever way you look at it, Arthur would have had to have stolen an ability like Molly’s to find those two, especially in the past.
I’m happier with that theory actually, it holds plenty of weight,what do you think?
@Steven
By going back into the past they changed a lot, Kaito didn’t neccessarily mean the catalyst, but I see where you are coming from with this logic. It’s all down to chaos theory, if they had changed the future then the ‘present’ that they went back to would have change dramatically. But the fact that they destroyed the formula in the present shows that the future that peter saw could not happen.
this show is too farfetched anyway now.. too babyish really. now it’s like:
haha you can’t kill me, i’m different from all the other heroes so definately can’t die…
haha i cant kill you but i can take ur ‘different’ ability so i now have it too, haha you can’t kill me.
soon everyone will be unable to die and it’ll just be the same cast over and over…….
@adam
Too babyish? I find that hilariously wrong. The fact that theres MURDER in it makes almost anti-babyish. I think you will find that alot of people have died in the series. Some heroes have better powers than others so of course they would be harder to kill. Like Baron Samedi, he has skin that cant be penetrated, but does that mean he goes round saying he definately cant die? No, Much like Sylar, he may be able to take others powers but he can still be killed. it would just be a matter of shooting a bullet into the right place and then dismembering his from body and destroying his brain whilst his powers cant work.
OK I need the answer to the following Q’s
Peter knows that Claire’s blood can heal (bring back his powers) so why doesn’t he get some and fix his power!
Why the hell did Hiro and Ando goto India?? What was the point?
What would happen if more then one person touched Peter?
What would happen if Ando super charged Peter’s power… would he absorb all the powers in a given area??
Anyone got the answers?
Ps when Peter hugged is dad didn’t he absorb his dad’s power… so shouldn’t he still have all his powers and his dad’s?
“Peter knows that Claire’s blood can heal (bring back his powers) so why doesn’t he get some and fix his power!”
Healing is not the same as giving back powers. Peter isn’t wounded, so Clair’s power would be useless to him. His DNA was changed so that his power was gone.
“Why the hell did Hiro and Ando goto India?? What was the point?”
To remind us one more time that Hiro can be a hero without powers. Ugh.
“What would happen if more then one person touched Peter?”
Peter chooses what powers he absorbs – he doesn’t just automatically absorb peoples’ powers at this point (though it looks like he did with Traci in the airplane). So I’d guess he picks whose power he wants.
“What would happen if Ando super charged Peter’s power… would he absorb all the powers in a given area??”
And THAT, I think, is how Peter is going to get his powers back the way they were before Daddy took them.
“Ps when Peter hugged is dad didn’t he absorb his dad’s power… so shouldn’t he still have all his powers and his dad’s?”
Uh, no. Peter didn’t absorb powers back then.
@Raymondo
I couldnt’ve said it better myself.
she’s still alive. i mean think about it. Don’t you think the day she was shot, Matt Parkman could’ve made the S.W.A.T. team think she was there. In my opinion, i think she’s hiding as Parkman fool’s everyone with her body. Also, like some of you mentioned, she has super-speed so she shouldve known it was coming or could’ve ran. Besides, Parkman didn’t make a huge deal when she died in the hospital. Remember TED, (the exploting fire guy). He went crazy psycho when his wife died. Think about it….
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